Skilled Independent (Permanent) (Class SI) (Subclass 189) a.k.a Subclass 189
The Subclass 189 Skilled Independent is a permanent residency for skilled workers who are not sponsored by an employer, a state or territory, or a family member.
About The Skilled Migration Program
The general skilled migration (GSM) program accounts for most of Australia’s permanent visas issued each year and is the main pathway for people looking to migrate to Australia.
With an intake size of 190,000 people each year, the basis of this program is to allow individuals with genuine skills in certain occupations to apply for residency directly without needing to be sponsored by an employer.
Source: Parliament of Australia
Although the skilled migration program has been around for decades, the subclass 189 has only been around for less than 10 years, replacing a previous skilled independent visa subclass.
The Process In Brief
The process for applying for a subclass 189 visa can be seen here.
We’ll run through the whole process later on in this guide.
What Are The Primary Criteria For The Subclass 189?
Below we have listed the main or ‘primary’ criteria for the grant of this visa. We have paraphrased and simplified the legal clauses to make them easier to understand.
- A positive skill assessment for an occupation that is on the Medium and Long Term Strategic Skills List (MLTSSL) – Migration Regulations 1994 (CTH) Sch 1 Item 1137 4B & 4C
- Meet or surpass the minimum English language requirement – Migration Regulations 1994 (CTH) Sch 2 reg 189.223
- Receive an invitation to apply from the Department – Migration Regulations 1994 (CTH) Sch 2 reg 189.221
- Be less than 45 years of age when the invitation is issued – Migration Regulations 1994 (CTH) Sch 1 Item 1137 4B (3)
- Which means that you have at least 65 points in your skilled points test – Migration Regulations 1994 (CTH) Sch 2 reg 189.224 (1)
We’ll go through each of the sections below.
What Is The Medium and Long Term Strategic Skills List (MLTSSL)?
Besides being quite a mouthful to say, this is the newest version of Australia’s skilled occupation list.
For the subclass 189, your occupation must be on this list and this list alone or you would not be allowed to make a valid application for this visa type.
Just over 170 occupations exist on the list, which you can read through on our MLTSSL list here.
Understanding the occupations on the list
How do I determine if my qualifications and experience matches the occupations stated in the MLTSSL?
Usually, most of the occupations will be pretty self-explanatory just from their title, however you might sometimes encounter certain occupations that are a bit harder to classify.
In this instance you will need to search for that particular ANZSCO and look at the tasks listed.
Too complicated? Let’s refer to an example:
Civil Engineer is on the MLTSSL. A quick search and you will find Civil Engineer (233211) code, click on the link and you will notice that the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) list the tasks a qualified Civil Engineer is expected to complete.
You will need to complete a similar group of tasks as compared to what is written there – 60% or more is usually enough.
The English Language Requirement
You need to have ‘competent’ English language ability which is satisfied if you have:
- An IELTS test score of at least 6 in each of the four test components of speaking, reading, writing and listening; or
- An OET test score of at least B in each of the four test components of speaking, reading, writing and listening; or
- A TOEFL iBT test score with at least the following scores in the four test components: 18 for speaking, 13 for reading, 21 for writing and 12 for listening; or
- A PTE Academic test score of at least 50 in each of the four test components of speaking, reading, writing and listening; or
- If you hold a passport from the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Ireland of New Zealand
Please note that this is the minimum English language requirement that all primary visa applicants need to satisfy.
If you are counting points on the basis of your English language ability, then you still need to satisfy the relevant requirement in order to gain those points.
Invitation To Apply
We’ll talk about this later in the guide, but in essence your visa is not officially being processed by the Department of Home Affairs (DHA) until you have received an invitation from them to apply for the visa programme.
Under 45 Years Old
The skilled migration program is only for main applicants under the age of 45 before at the time when they receive the ‘invitation to apply’ mentioned above.
That means your age is not locked in when you start the process, but only when you have a valid application with the Department of Home Affairs.
Either member of a couple (married or defacto) can be the main applicant, so in the case of one being above 45, you can apply using their partner or spouse instead – as long as they fulfil the criteria mentioned on this page.
It doesn’t matter how old the secondary applicants are, only the main applicant needs to be under 45 years old to qualify.
The 65 Points Requirement
As of July 1st 2018, the minimum points threshold for make a valid application was adjust to 65 points (previously it was 60 points).
The rationale behind the change was that it better aligned with the points score that most people could realistically get selected at because they felt that applicants were rarely getting selected at 60 points in recent years.
Your points are made up from various factors such as your age, English language ability and others, which you can see in the table below.
Relevant factor (at the time of invitation) | Category | Points |
---|---|---|
Age | 18–24 (inclusive) 25–32 (inclusive) 33–39 (inclusive) 40–44 (inclusive) | 25 30 25 15 |
English language ability | Competent English — IELTS 6 / PTE 50 Proficient English — IELTS 7 / PTE 65 Superior English — IELTS 8 / PTE 79 | 0 10 20 |
Skilled employment (outside Australia) | At least three but less than five years At least five but less than eight years At least eight and up to 10 years | 5 10 15 |
Skilled employment (in Australia) | At least one but less than three years At least three but less than five years At least five but less than eight years At least eight and up to 10 years | 5 10 15 20 |
Educational qualifications | Doctorate/ PHD Bachelor/ Masters degree Diploma | 20 15 10 |
Australian study requirement | One or more degrees, diplomas or trade qualifications awarded by an Australian educational institution and meet the Australian Study Requirement | 5 |
Other factors | Credentialled community language qualifications Study in regional Australia or a low population growth metropolitan area (excluding distance education) Partner skill qualifications Professional Year in Australia for at least 12 months in the four years before the day you were invited Australian Masters in STEM (2 years study) Partner's English Single applicant | 5 5 10 5 10 5 10 |
Please see some explanatory notes below on some of the key items in the table above.
Continued below…
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Work experience
- You must have worked at least 20 hours of paid work per week and in your nominated skilled occupation, or a closely related occupation.
- The work must be paid – it cannot be voluntary work.
- You can only count ‘skilled’ employment, that is it the work was undertaken after the applicant meets at least the entry level requirements as set by the relevant assessing authority for that occupation.
- The date on which an applicant becomes ‘skilled’ may be different from the date that an assessing authority finds that the person meets their requirement for a suitable skills assessment. For example, an assessing authority may issue a suitable skill assessment on the basis of attainment of a tertiary qualification but may require a period of post qualification work experience before considering an applicant ‘skilled’ for the purpose of employment points.
Educational qualifications
- If you hold multiple recognised qualifications, you can only count points for one of your recognised qualifications (e.g. if you have completed a Bachelor degree and a Diploma degree, you can receive points for the Bachelor degree only).
- Your relevant skills assessment body will generally determine whether any qualifications earned outside Australia are of a standard that is comparable to the relevant Australian qualification.
- You may be able to receive points for a qualification that is not related to your nominated occupation.
Australian study requirements
This means you have been awarded one or more degrees, diplomas or trade qualifications through a course or courses taken at an Australian educational institution.
Your course or courses must:
- be registered through the Commonwealth Register of Institutions and Course for Overseas Students (CRICOS)
- have been successfully completed
- have resulted in you receiving a degree, diploma or trade qualification
- have been completed in a total of at least 16 calendar months
- have been completed as a result of at least two academic years of study
- have had all instruction in English
- have been completed while you were physically in Australia
- have been completed while you held a visa authorising you to study in Australia
- be counted only once towards the Australian study requirement. Any failed course subject cannot be counted towards the Australian Study Requirement
Two academic years of study is defined as 92 weeks of study in a course or courses registered by CRICOS. CRICOS determines a standard duration (number of weeks) for each course.
You will need to fulfil all the basic requirements above to be able to start the full application process.
The Subclass 189 Application Process – In Stages
We showed you this diagram earlier, but let’s go through it in more detail so you can get a better understanding of it.
The 4 stages for the subclass 189 application are:
- Occupation assessment
- Expression of Interest (EOI) submission
- Receiving an Invitation to Apply (ITA)
- Your visa being granted
You must go through each stage before move on to the next one.
For this visa type there is no state involvement – you are applying directly to the federal government and will be selected directly as well.
Let’s break down each of the 4 stages…
Occupation Assessment
To validate your occupation you need it officially assessed by an authorised body in Australia.
You can’t just self-declare your occupation – you must provide documentary evidence.
Every occupation has a different assessing authority, the whole list of the authorities can be seen below.
- Architects Accreditation Council of Australia Inc
- Australian Association of Social Workers
- Australasian College of Physical Scientists and Engineers in Medicine
- Australian Computer Society
- Australian Community Workers Association
- Australian Dental Council
- Australian Institute of Management
- Australian Institute of Medical Scientists
- Australian Institute of Quantity Surveyors
- Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership
- Australian Maritime Safety Authority
- Australian Nursing & Midwifery Accreditation Council Limited
- Australian and New Zealand Podiatry Accreditation Council Inc.
- Australian and New Zealand Society of Nuclear Medicine
- Australasian Osteopathic Accreditation Council
- Australian Orthotic Prosthetic Association
- Australian Physiotherapy Council
- Australian Pharmacy Council
- Australian Podiatry Association
- Australian Psychological Society
- Australian Society of Medical Imaging and Radiation Therapy
- Australasian Veterinary Boards Council Inc.
- Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand
- Civil Aviation Safety Authority
- Council on Chiropractic Education Australasia Limited
- CPA Australia Ltd
- Dietitians Association of Australia
- Institution of Engineers Australia
- Institute of Public Accountants
- Medical Board of Australia
- National Accreditation Authority for Translators and Interpreters
- Optometry Council of Australia and New Zealand
- Occupational Therapy Council (Australia and New Zealand) Limited
- Speech Pathology Australia
- Surveying and Spatial Sciences Institute
- Trades Recognition Australia
Each assessing authority also requires different documents to validate your occupation, including (not all would be required):
- Academic qualifications
- Proof of work experience
- English tests
- Reports
- Test/ exams
- Invoices and tax statements
It really depends which occupation and assessing authority you are applying to.
Take note that every assessing authority will charge you a fee and take anywhere from 3 months or more to decide on your outcome.
Once they do, you either get a positive or negative outcome letter – only positive outcomes can continue forward from this stage of the process.
Expression of Interest (EOI)
At this stage you will be submitting an expression of interest to the Department of Home Affairs that you would like to apply for skilled migration under the subclass 189 visa type.
You would need to have a positive outcome on your assessment as mentioned earlier as well as all the documents already prepared to prove that you have at least 65 points from the skilled points table we went through earlier.
Although you don’t have to upload any documents at this point, they must exist before you submit your EOI or the application will be invalid at the following stage.
The pool of applicants + selection rounds
Once submitted, you go into a pool of applicants in the same occupation as yourself, waiting for selection from the Department.
Applicants are selected on a supply/ demand points-based system, meaning it takes applicants with the highest points first, then followed by first come first serve (if points are equal between two applicants).
Selections rounds are done once a month, on the 11th of each month, where the DHA will send out invitations to a selection of the pool numbering anywhere from 600 up to 4000+ depending on the time of the year and varying factors.
Selection time frame
Depending on your individual points score, the duration you remain in the pool varies from just a month (or less in some rare cases), up to 12-18 months for other applicants and occupations.
Once your application gets selected from the pool, you receive an Invitation to Apply (ITA)…
Invitation To Apply (ITA)
When you receive your official invitation from the Department of Home Affairs, your application is about 90% of the way through the process and you are being invited to accept your place in the skilled migration program.
Applicants at this stage would have to:
- Pay their visa fees (main applicants + all other secondary applicants)
- Submit documents validating their claims in their EOI
- Police clearances for every country each applicant above 16 years old has stayed for an accumulated 12 months in the last 10 years
- Medical checks for each person in the application
- Any other documents required by the DHA on a case by case basis
Once all documents have been submitted, your application will go into the process queue for approval.
As long as all checks come out clear, your visa will be granted and the Department will contact you or your migration agent with your visa grant letter.
Visa Grant
Your visa grant letter looks something like this:
It states the details of your grant, validity period, conditions and so on…
Note that each member of your family in your application will be given their own letter and the visa type will be the same.
You will have to do an initial entry by a given date – this is essentially to activate your visa, but after that you can leave again as your initial travel authority is 5 years.
Other Notables For The Subclass 189 Visa
There are other considerations you have to keep in mind that are required for this visa to be granted:
- The applicant may be in or outside Australia when the visa is granted, but not in immigration clearance
- This is a permanent visa permitting the holder to travel to and enter Australia for 5 years from the date of grant (more on this later)
- If you are applying from outside Australia, your first entry must be made before the date specified on your visa grant letter
- Full work and stay rights anywhere in Australia
Frequently Asked Questions
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Hi
I want to apply for 189 independent subclass Visa , I have both diploma and bachelors degree certificate for bachelors of Science ( Nursing) so am I Eligible to get both points for Certificate 10+15?
You will only be able to claim points for the highest academic qualifications you have, so it will be 15 points, not 25.
What is your highest educational qualification?
At least a Bachelor’s degree from an Australian educational institution or at least a Bachelor qualification, from another educational institution, that is of a recognized standard.
My question.
For this section, Could you please confirm if a degree “Bachelor of Engineering in Bio-Technology” from India will qualify for this point and can be earned 15 points?
Yes if your degree is recognised as AQF level 7 equivalence.
My graduate visa 485 of Australia got expired and it was till 30 October. I left Australia on 28 October and on November 7 I got an invitation for 189 Skill Independent Visa. I am planning lodge process for it. However, I got some debts repayments to do in money burrowing platforms such as Zip, Money. Me, and also I got some tax to pay like 2 to 3 thousands. Will immigration can say something regarding this repayments or is that a seperate issue as long I declare to pay while applying for PR?
Does the amount of points scored for invitation count when you waiting for your visa to be granted? So someone with 85 points would get their visa quicker than someone with 70 points?
Yes in most cases it is higher points first, but it would be within the same occupation group so you are fighting within with other people of your occupation
Could I claim my PhD
as working experience for
Getting more points? Mar 2019
In most cases no, but it would depend on your occupation you are applying for.
I am studying master in Australia and i would like to apply for 189 after my study but at that time my wife ielts result will be expired (she sat on 2022) and my study ll be finished by aug 2024. Is my wife english test still eligible to count in?
Another question is my ex job is Microbiologist and i am doing part time casual job in Australia but not related to my career. So can i get points in professional
year in Australia?
Hi, I want to apply for 189 independent subclass Visa, but I have a bachelor degree in Geology and my nominated occupation is management consultant. Would I still be able to get the 15 points for my degree? Thanks
Yes that should be fine as long as you have enough work experience (for management consultant) – you would get 15 points for your degree as well.
I have ITA for 491 claim 5 points of Spouse English. To claim this
is that mean they should be a part of this visa application currently at same time, or I still can claim if spouse will not apply with me now?
Thanks in advance for small help
Your spouse must be part of the application
How will they contact you if you are invited to apply for a pr visa? Also, if all information is accurate in the EOI, what is the likelihood that you will be granted the pr visa if you are invited to apply for the visa?
They will contact you by email if you are invited. If your information is accurate at EOI it falls back to your points score and occupation – the higher the points score and the more in demand the occupation the better your chances.
Hi, I want to apply for visa subclass 189 and I have two nationalities ( Chilean and Argentinean). Is it relevant for the application which nationality I declare? I mean, do I have more chances with one or the other? Thanks
Your chances are not dependant on your nationality. You will have to declare both eventually anyway so the DHA will know either way.
Hi can you please tell me if i have degree of bachelor of business adminstration .and 3 year experience in bank.can i apply 189subclass visa.
Thank you
It’s not about your degree, it’s about your specific occupation. Only occupations on the MLTSSL can apply for a subclass 189.
Hi, do you need to hold the 189 Visa for a certain time after granted, before you are allowed to sponsor a partner (de facto relationship ) for the partner visa?
Or once you are granted the 189, you can lodge a partner Visa for your partner? Thank you
There really isn’t a time limit but you need to prove that you are usually resident in Australia. Rule of thumb is at least 1-2 years of stay in Australia, however they can consider less than that depending on your circumstances. New sponsorship rules are coming into affect soon which means you would have to apply as a sponsor first anyway.
Does my degree need to be relevant to the skill to receive the points? I.e. if I have a degree BSc. Geography but 3 years experience as an ICT Business Analyst – would I have enough points to receive an EOI (given also I’m 27 and from UK)?
For ICT related occupations, the further away your degree is to the occupation the more minimum years of work experience will be required to validate the occupation. If your occupation can’t be validated you would not be able to submit a valid EOI. In your case you would need at least 5 years of work experience to apply.
I receive my 189 viza recently. Can my dependents travel before me or I have to enter with them/before them?
You can travel separately. You don’t have to all go at the same time.
Hello William, thanks for all the useful information. I have only 2 months of professional work experience. Is there an unstated requirement as “you must have wprk experience for at least a year” or 6 months. Other than the lack of experience I am sure I can get Superior English sufficiency and 70 points for subclass 189 in total.
The work experience is for 2 things – your skills assessment in most cases and your points. If you can get past your skills assessment without work experience (some occupations can), then even with 0 points for work experience you can still apply for subclass 189
Hi, I want to apply for189 visa, can I include my mother and sister in this application?
no
Hi, I meet all the requirements to score 70 points however most of my work experience was gained over 10 years ago and I am not currently working in that type of job. Does the requirement for work experience to have been in the last 10 years still apply?
Yes
Hi. Its Yashika. I have studied 4 semesters of my bachelors of accounting in Adelaide. I stayed there from 16 April 2016 to 16 January 2018. Will I be able to get 5 points for regional studies? Thank you
as long as it was 2 academic years you should be fine. Please request a free assessment on the ‘Do I Qualify’ page if you would like a migration professional to go through it in more details with you
Hi, How long does it usually take from police clearances and medical clearances to receive your visa.
Thanks
It varies, but in most cases as long as those were provided promptly and had no issues, you are looking at a couple of months.
Hi. I need to apply for Subclass 189 visa. For me to be able to get the 5 points for parter/spouse, besides English proficiency does her skills also need to be assessed first. She has an HND in Accounting and Degree in Administration.
Yes, for partner skills you need a full skills assessment for your spouse/ partner
Hi William, so the partner also has to have their work experience assessed? What if the outcome is negative for work experience but positive for the education assessment? My partner has acquired positive result on the degree qualification but the result on his work experience is negative as CPA deemed the work is not as in-depth as they require it to be. Thanks
Your partner needs a positive skills assessment to claim points. CPA should be able to do so without work experience.
Hi, is it ok to have a relevant degree but no work experience? I have a chemistry degree in Hong Kong, would that be recognized by immigration? Also for the study requirement, can I study a subject unrelated to the skill that I applied?
you can study any degree for the study requirement. For most occupation assessments, you will need work experience.
Hi, Is it possible to provide results of two IELTS exams, one of which shows results above 7 in three skills (reading, listening and speaking). And another one shows score 7 in the left one (writing)?
Is it considered as a proficient english user in scoring system?
Hello. I am Esmaeil Fozooni and completed both master and bachelor in chemical engineering. I also completed my PhD in medicine (blood disease) in Australia. Now, I want to apply for 189 visa for Clinical Haematologist (253313). Moreover, I have 3 years of work experience in water and wastewater process engineer. considering that in “http://anzsco.ozhome.info” website it is mentioned that “occupations in this unit group have a level of skill commensurate with a bachelor degree or higher qualification, two years hospital-based training, and at least five years specialist study and training (ANZSCO Skill Level 1)”, could you please inform me if I am eligible to apply for 189 visa using 20 points of my PhD and 5 points for work experience outside Australia?
Sincerely
your question is a bit complex to explain here, could you submit your details here for an assessment: https://australmigrate.com/get-free-assessment/
Hello, I am studying an MPhil in neuroscience in the University of Queensland. Do I still have to have that degree validated by vetassess? Or is that only for overseas degrees?
Can I claim multiple points for my MPhil?
15 points per degree
5 points for studying it in australia
5 points for the degree being a stem one (science)
Or do I only get to claim the points for the degree?
All degrees must be verified by the relevant assessing authority.
As for your points, as long as you fulfilled the stay requirement then yes you can claim them all.
But only 15 points maximum for the qualification (you can’t add degree and masters together)
Hi there..if i am applying for 189 in Sydney and my friend applies from a regional area with same points and skills qualification, is he on a higher chances to be picked than me?
Hard to tell. Where you are doesn’t have as much bearing as which visa you are applying for
Hi, I am looking to apply for the 189 Visa with my partner as de facto. My partner is an interior designer with a BA degree and can complete the skills assessment. However, her job is on the short term skills list and not the mid to long term. Can we still get the partner skills points as it is on the combined skills list?
Partner’s skills only work when applying for the same visa type, i.e. both for sc189 or both for sc190/ 489. In your case no it would not work unless you decide to apply for the sc190.
Any age creteria to get the 5 points of study in Australia and the other 5 points of study in regional Australia?
As long as you are below 45 years old it would be fine.
Hii there,
Let’s say you’re only have less than 1 year of experience which is only the internship period. Can you apply this visa? Btw I have 70 points now.
It depends on occupation – some occupations don’t need work experience to be positively assessed.
Hi William,
Thanks for your advise mate. But couldn’t find the info I was looking for in your above response to others.
My Partner and I both did Accounting and both currently working as Accountant. She is above 25 years of age, band 9 in PTE , worked for 3 years as Accountant (work exp already approved by CPA ).
I’m on her application so my question is; do I need to get my work experience assessed as well for her to get the 5 points or just the qualification (Recognised degree by CPA) assessment result is enough?
Hope this makes sense.
Regards,
Kavi
You need to do a skills assessment with CPA. They do not require work experience.
Hi,
I have bachelors in Computer Science and nearly 12 years of experience in telecom. Can I get points for both Qualification and Work Experience and which authority I should apply for assessment? Engineers Australia or ACS?
It depends on what field you work in, but for most IT occupations it would be ACS
Hi,
I am a full CIMA associate and have a bachelor of commerce degree with hons and have been told by CPA this will be recognised as at least a bachelors degree in Australia, which is great. I want to know….if I convert my CIMA to CPA,Is there any way I can then claim extra points for study that meets the australian requirement?
Only if you studied and graduated in Australia for at least 2 years
Greetings,
Wanted to understand what to mention in partner part of 189 class.. If the applicant is divorced.. (have kids…means he is a single parent).. And how many points can be obtained for partner.
Hi there,
Do I have to have a skill assessment if I have a qualified Australian Certificate – Carpenter III, and I have over 9 years of work experiences (7 years in Canada/ 2 years in Australia)?
If so, do I need to have it ready before submitting EOI?
Thank you
A skills assessment is always a must and is done first.
Hi
I have lodged my 190 visa application already. I have a PhD from an Australian University. I applied for vetassess skills assessment while I was doing my PhD. Therefore, vetassess has only verified my bachelors and masters degree along with my work experience and gave a positive outcome (but my PhD was not verified). The issue is, I have claimed 20 points for educational qualification although vetassess didn’t verify my Australian PhD. I am really nervous whether this will cause a major issue in my visa approval.
Thanks
I am more or less in the same situation.
I just need a clarification regarding my submitted EOI for 189 visa application.
I am a PhD graduate from Deakin University, Australia. My program was a full time study but was a collaborative program between Sankara Nethralaya, Chennai, India and Deakin University, Geelong Australia. I was at Chennai,India for 3 years during my PhD and last one year I spent at Deakin University.
When I sent my skill assessment to Engineers Australia for assessment (233914 Engineering technologist) I was given a outcome letter saying Bachelor’s is my highest AQF. Looks like my master’s degree was not suitable for that stream that I applied to.
I am just wondering if I will be getting only 15 points with regard to educational qualification for this case or 20 points because of PhD. I have not claimed Australian study requirement because of this reason.
Hello
This is Esmaeil Fozooni who left you message on May 29 on this website and you mentioned that my situation a lit bit complex. So, I have uploaded my CV 3 weeks ago and I did not received any feedback. May I ask you about this?
Thanks
please send it again to enquiries@australmigrate.com and we’ll check again. Apologies for that.
Hello
I did bachelor in engineering from India then worked for seven years. Then i came to Australia and finished Master in engineering. My both qualifications and experience is fully assessed by Engineers Australia.
Now my question is Can i claim 15 point for Qualification (As both Bachelor and Master have same points) + 5 Points for Australian study + 5 points for work experience (Which is after bachelor and before masters).
Kind regards
Arvi
Yes as long as the masters was 2 years.
Hello,
I have a master’s in biotechnology, i am working as a laboratory technician. Biotechnology is on the list of skilled occupation. I did assessment for the 190 visa, but my degree is not matching with my work experience due to the laboratory is food lab.
Do i need to have a post graduate work experience to apply for 189 visa? Or is that just for the point test. Is it mandatory to have work experience?
Work experience is mandatory for a skills assessment for biotechnology. A degree or masters level is fine but the work is usually assessed after the degree onward.
Hi.
I am securing 75 points in Engineering Technologist group but thinking to get 5 points for partner’s skills. My wife has done MBA in Marketing & Finance from India. She has 6 years of work experience, somewhere related to Management Consultant role, actually account manager in consultancy firms. I need your advice on below points.
1. Is it sufficient to get her assessment done only on the basis of MBA degree to get 5 point?
2. If I need to show work experience also, how many years of experience would be required to show, because she worked with 5 employers in 6 years.
3. Is it required to take English exam or I can show that the mode of education was English, she also has a permanent job in Sydney in case that works.
Thanks in advance.
Regards.
Partner skills needs a full skills assessment so it depends on how many years VETASSESS requires for the occupation you end up on. Same with the academic qualification, this varies based on the occupation.
Yes you will need to take an English test such as IELTS or PTE.
Hi I am planning to apply for The Subclass 189 Visa. I have done my BBM and have 5 years of work experience. I wanted to get started with the process. Could you please tell me the first step and where do i get it done from before writing my English exams.
That’s a bit too many steps to explain in a comment, first step would be to figure out which occupation you qualify for
Hi, can I lodge an EOI if I have the points required but without my skill assessment. (finishing my professional year course by November 2019)
No you can’t
I’m a teacher from Canada and I’m finishing my 5+ in Special Education. My husband is dual Australian Canadian. I’m wondering if this visa or partner visa would be better to move toward PR.
Thank you!
Partner visa for sure. Please reach out to us using the contact page and we can advise on the process and fee structure
Hi, I have three years of work experience and a Ph.D. degree. My qualification was approved by Engineering Australia. However, I did not apply for Relevant Skilled Employment Assessment. Do I need to do that if I want to get my work experience points? Or I can just claim it in my EOI and later on provide my work experience documents to the home affair?
Many thanks
Mojo
Hi William,
I would have two questions. To get spouse skill points is it enough that his occupation code is on the same occupation list as mine (I am primary applicant) or he needs to have positive skill assessment as well? He is veterinarian, but he finished his studies on the university which is not accredited by AVBC. So, he needs to pass NVE. and can not get positive skill assessment before that. Secondly, when it is said that spouse has to be an applicant for the visa does it mean primary applicant so he has to submit his own application for the same visa type, or means has to be the second applicant on my visa application?
Thanks
BR
He needs to do a full skills assessment and be your secondary applicant.
Hi William,
Thanks for the information, I find it very helpful. I’m thinking of applying for a Subclass 189 and my degree qualifies to be assessed under Sydney Accord – BENg (Honours) Aerospace. However, I’ve never practiced being an Aerospace Engineer and I believe my work experience is more relevant as a Mechanical Engineer which I’d like to nominate. Do I have to do a CDR report because my degree qualification and my work experience are not the same?
Thanks very much.
A CDR is always required to prove a change in engineering field
Is it possible to get assessed through Engineering Australia for that change?
My degree is in Electrical Engineering, but most of the projects I have done are of Biomedical Engineering nature. Can I get assessed as a Biomedical Engineer?
Yes you can change engineering fields
Hi,
I have master’s degree from Australia which is AQF Level Master degree. However, my bachelor degree degree is from overseas and it is AQF Level Associate degree.
At the outcome letter from engineers Australia, they mentioned only My master degree for the purposes of awarding points under the General Skilled Migration points test.
Will I be eligible for 15 points for my education or 10 points??
15 points
Hi,
I just received this message from an immigration agent and got me very confused:
“Country Education Profile suggests that if your Diplome took 5 years to complete and was awarded without grade de Master then it would be equivalent to an Australian Bachelor degree thus, awarding 15 points instead of 10. However, if the Diplome was awarded with the grade de Master then you would be awarded 10 points not, 15.”
My qualifications are:
2 years overseas General sciences degree equivalent to an Advanced diploma
Masters Degree in engineering overseas (3 years to complete), not sure whether it’s AQF Level Master Degree
Masters Degree in Marketing (2 years) that I completed in Australia
The immigration agent I asked believes I will get only 10 points since I don’t have a bachelor degree. What do you think?
Your masters degree in Australia would be worth 15 points as it is.
Hi,
I want to apply for the 189 visa under biotechnologist. Would my PhD in medicine from a UK university count towards points for overseas employment in nominated skilled occupation?
Thanks!
That depends if the assessing authority considers your PHD highly relevant to your field of work
Hi William, I applied for 189 EOI. I completed Bachelor of nursing here in Australia after completing my diploma in science first. I have no experience yet but i have 65 points. Can I get an invitation?
Thank you
Technically yes you can get invited, but you may need to try and boost your points higher to increase the chances.
Hi William ,
Can i do Masters in Australia after getting 189 Visa ??
You can do anything you want :)
Hi William,
After getting the 189 Visa, and after doing the essential first landing, can I move to Australia anytime as long as the arrival date is before the expiry date of the visa? In other words, if i wish to migrate to Australia 1 month before the visa expires (due to personal circumstances) will this be an issue?
Thank you.
There are 2 dates on your visa grant letter. You must arrive before the first date indicated (which is approx 12 months after the date of visa grant)
Hi there,
I have a honours degree in civil engineering but I’m currently working at a project manager. Can I qualify for the 189 as a civil engineer without work experience? I’m 25
It depends on how many points you have for the 189. To get a skills assessment for a civil engineer you don’t necessarily need work experience.
Great website, with lots of useful info – thanks! We are from the UK. My husband will be our main applicant. He had chemo for HCL (Leukaemia) in Dec 18 but had to wait to confirm he was in remission in May 19.
When could we apply for a 189 visa?
I understand the assessment is around chances of the leukaemia recurring, with HCL 24-33% return within 5 years and 42-48% return within 10 years. Would they see this as a high risk?
Would we have paid the visa application fees by the time we found out the result of medical?
Thanks againQ
Yes you have to pay the fees before the medical, it’s hard to say as the case officer will assess the risks and take multiple factors into account
I got employment assessment from Engineers Australia but they considered my Four Years experience instead of Six due to one document missing.
Can I re-apply for reassessment with required document ?
Sure as long as you pay
Hi,
I have had same issue. But, I have managed to get the missing document (reference letter) from my ex employer and have submitted along with visa application on Immi account.
Will DHA consider the experience which EA dint due to missing document ?
Hi, I am a CPA in the Philippines. My assessment says “education is comparable to Australian Education system” and the “skills are suitable for ANZ Code 22111”. Just to clarify, in the EOI under Australian Study Requirement, I should sill tick “NO”, right? Does a positive feedback from the assessment mean complying with Australian Study Requirement? Thanks.
Overseas education can’t be used for Australian Study Requirements.
Hi William
Is there a possibility to be invited if my score is 70 points for visa 189?if yes, how long would it take?
Thank you.
It depends on your occupation – but how long it would take is hard to say currently.
Hi William,
I am interested in applying for 189 visa for management consultant:
1. How many years work experience as a management consultant do I need to get the 15 points for my bachelor degree in Geology? I currently have 2 years experience. Is the number of years fixed or due to discretion of VETTASSESS agent?
2. How long should I expect to wait to be invited with 75 points (after the spouse points come into effect in November 2019)?
3. Do more invites typically get given out and at lower points score the further into the program year which starts in July? I have noticed that be the case in the 2018-19 program year.
Really appreciate all you can offer!!
We’ve had a management consultant get selected at 70 points, so the answer is it varies depending on state. The number of years of work varies depending on if your occupation is closely related to what you studied.
Hi William, do one get additional points when assessed by the appropriate assessing body while filling the Australian EOI? I read something like that in the EA assessing procedure, also, you even gets more points when you use the express option. would like to know how genuine it is. Thanks
You don’t get additional points, but without doing the skills assessment you can’t claim any points for work experience.
Hi William,
I am having 10 years experience in IT Domain. and my job is mainly developer programmer. But for first 5 years i don’t have any work experience documents (pay slips or offerletters) etc.
but my colleagues are in contact with me whom i had work in particular companies on that 5 years.
Need your kind suggestion on this work experience issue to proceed.
i am afraid of verification of my work experience by CASE OFFICER. How to proceed with this issue.
All work experience can be verified by your assessing authority and the DHA case officer, so you must have the evidence required.
Can i have partner skill qualification as “I am single” and get my 189 PR visa. After getting my PR granted,can i have my spouse and kids as dependent and get PR to them as well without any skill assessment to them?
You can’t have partner skills without declaring your partner in the application
What happens if me and my family were granted the visa, but the primary applicant (my husband) decided he doesn’t want to move there? Can the rest of the applicants in the same application still move to Australia and receive the benefits and rights?
All visa grants are individual, so for this visa type if you move to Australia you’ll be fine.
My total points are 70(Subclass – 189) and 75(Subclass 190-State of Victoria) and EOI has been submitted. However, I’m turning 40 on 26th Sept’19. What is the possibility of getting my application picked up and PR granted? Even though the EOI was submitted before I turned 40, is it possible to get an invitation even after I attain age of 40 for old EOI?
You’ll lose 10 points once you turn 40, so you’ll have to make up points to be considered for the 189 visa.
Hi William,
Can you apply for visa 189 only once? Are there any disadvantages for having been rejected?
For example, if I were to apply with 70 points and not get selected, and complete a masters degree and apply with 75 points few years later, will the fact that the previous visa has been rejected work against me?
Average minimum number of points has been above 80 for the past year, bar February at 75, (https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skillselect/invitation-rounds), and I am unsure if it’s better to apply when I have more points.
If you get rejected it can affect future applications (depending on the reason of your original refusal). The points selection this financial year has been high, but we expect it to drop eventually.
Which ielts do you need to do, general or academic?
For points purposes it doesn’t matter.
Hello,
I have a Bachelor degree from my home country and a MPhil from Australia. I want to apply for the 189 visa. I plan to validate my bachelor degree via VETASSESS, this would give me 15 points.
Do I need to validate my Masters in order to get the extra 5 points for “Specialist education qualification”?
Cheers
Hi, I have heard the processing time for 189 Visa is from 11 months to 22 months, is that true?
It all depends on points score. If you have already been selected your visa is typically granted a few months later.
To claim 5 points for study in regional, I accelerate to complete my 2-year course into a 1.5 year program. Am I still eligible ? Thanks
Hi William,
I have a degree in civil engineering but I’m currently working as facility maintenance planner for 9 years.
I want to apply as civil engineer for the 189.
can I still claim for the points for the 9 years of working experience ?
I am 34.
Thanks.
It depends if your job duties align with that of a civil engineer.
Hi William,
I received an invitation for the 190 visa (wa state nomination), however I discovered only later that full time employment with a minimum of 6 month contract is a requirement from the date of the application. I currently work as a sole trader as a psychologist, so unfortunately it seems that I won’t qualify.
I am now considering completing an EOI for the 189 – my question is, will I come accross the same issue ?is there any particular employment arrangement required to be able to apply for the 189? Can I apply even as a sole trader/subcontractor and working part time ?
I have a positive skill assessment, 80 points and 4 years of work experience (averaging 20-30hours per week).
Thanks,
Salomee
Subclass 189 has different requirements to the various states for the subclass 190. If you can verify your work experience and they select you, you should be fine.
i have a bachelor degree in mechanical engineering without any experience. in other side i have 5 work experience in different jobs: security guard and receptionist in a company…does the work experience must be relevant to my bachelor degree to obtain the work experience points ?
Work has to be relevant.
Hi, I have scored 79+ in my speaking, reading, writing and listening on my PTE test but have a couple of less than 60 in my ‘Enabling skills’ section. Does my score qualify as superior or not? Thanks
Yes.
Hi William,
My husband is going to apply for vetassess to be able to apply for 189 visa (he is Geophysicist). I’m also Geophysicist and meet all the requirements to be nominated for same occupation, but I have less points because of work experience. I will be second applicant (dependent) in his application. Should I also apply for VETASSESS in order to claim 5 points for partner skills? Or just University diplomas and employment documents can be enough to provide for partner?
Another question is about Specialist education qualification (A Masters degree by research or a Doctorate degree from an Australian educational institution that included at least 2 academic years study in a relevant field).
Can my husband claim 5 points if he has been undertaking PhD in Australia for 2 years but did not graduated yet? Or his PhD should be completed?
Thanks!
The partner’s skills assessment is useful points – it changes to 10 points in November. He’ll have 20 points once he graduates his PhD.
Hi,
I have completed my 2 years Masters program (Information Technology) in Australia. I’m on my work visa right now(Subclass 485).
I have already completed my 70 PR points but no skilled experience (Information Technology) in Australia.
Am i Eligible to apply for Permanent Residency?
Feedback would be appreciated.
Thank you.
It depends on which visa type you are applying for. If it’s subclass 190 then some states require work experience.
Hi,
Does your ‘partner’ need to be someone you are married to or have defacto documentation for? My partner and I have been living together for 1 year.
Advice appreciated
Thanks
You don’t have to be married, you can claim defacto as long as you can prove it.
Do you have to declare your partner’s skills and can they count to your points even if they are not migrating with you?
To qualify as ‘partner’ do you have to have official documentation to prove your defacto relationship/do you have to be married?
You have to prove defacto status with documents supporting it.
Hi,
I completed a PhD in Australia.
Will this give me 30 points?
Education: Doctorate – 20 points
Specialist Education Qualification: 5 points
Australian study: 5 points
Thanks
Possibly – it depends how long you studied there for and what you studied.
I have 11 years of experience 2006-2008, 2010 – 2019 as software engineer and a B.tect (IT) degree from india. Can I get 15 points in skill select ?
It depends what year your assessing authority gives as the date deemed skilled
I have a job offer giving me a temporary 408 visa.
My understanding is that 1 year with this visa will give me 5 points (for 1 year work in Australia), which is faster than 3 years work internationally for the same number of points.
However, does having a temporary visa prohibit you from making a present or future 189 or 190 application for PR?
Thanks
It depends on the visa whether it has a condition preventing you from doing so (onshore) – you can always apply for 189 and 190 offshore regardless.
Hello William,
Are there any more requirements to prove the work experience?
I heard that in order to prove the work experience, the work should be more than 20 hours per week and the experience should be longer than at least 3 months of period.
I had worked for one company only for 1 month, more than 20 hours per week, and worked for another company for a bit more than 11 months.
Would these two experiences be considered 1 year of experience together, or is the first 1 month of experience excluded because the experience is not more than 3 months?
Please give me advice regarding this issue.
Best regards,
It depends on your assessing authority, but typically work experience can be added up together.
Hi William,
I am developer programmer (261312) and my partner is chemical engineer (233111). Can I claim partner skill points ? and will I have to have skill assessment done for my partner also?
Please advice. Thanks
Occupations on the MLTSSL can apply for partner skills points if you are applying for the same visa class. Skills assessment is required for both of you.
Hi,What if I turned 33 before the 189 visa was granted….. will the immigration subtract 5 points on my age? Thank you..
After the invitation to apply is received, your age and points are locked in.
Hello! I could I still apply for the 189 visa if my spouse/dependent is not skilled? Thanks!
Yes – it only takes one of you to qualify as the main applicant.
Hi! william,
I have doubt regarding claiming regional study points (5 points). What proof do i need to submit to claim the regional points. I have only bank statements and pay slips which has my previous residential ( regional) address in it, apart from that i don’t have any bonds or bills to show as a proof of living. Please clear me out.
Thanks in advance.
You need to show you studied there so your education transcript is required too
Hi,
I have a 189 Visa for myself and family.
The visa has been activated during an initial visit and we have since left Australia.
I now wish to move my family permanently to Australia but do not intend to join them for another year or so.
Can my family move to Australia independently and my Wife take bank account, school places, rental agreements etc without me?
Or do I need to move with them at same time as I am the primary visa applicant.?
Regards
Yes that’s fine.
Hi
I have lodged EOI in may 2019, at 75 points for 261313. Now with new points system my points are 80 with same date of effect. What are my chances of receiving ITA and when can I expect it?
Hard to say, it depends on how many slots the DHA want to release
Hello! I graduated bachelor of nursing. But I cant find a job that is related. Can I still apply for 190 nt nomination or theres no chance for me
It depends on your point score and if you can apply for registration with AHPRA
Hi, am I eligible to get 5 points for study and live in regional if I finish the 2-year course as an accelerate 1.5 year program (3 semesters + summer semester)?
I would like to ask the same question. Can anyone help?
Hello I have a question my brother included me on his 189 visa with his wife our visa was denied we applied from the AAT won the appeal . I wanted to ask at the time we lodged the joint application I was below 23 years and therefore my brother claimed I was his dependant now am 24 the visa has been remitted back to DIPB for processing . Do you think the DIBP can Reject my visa because an older than 23 now?
HI,
I have a MEng in civil engineering and I am working as a structural engineer with 2.5 years experience. I want to apply for the 189 visa. Will I need to provide evidence of work experience as part of my skills assessment? Or is evidence of qualification sufficient? Thanks.
It depends where you studied. Some courses won’t require the work experience from EA.
Hello William,
I am currently working as an Accountant (General) 221111, and I have gathered 3 years of work experience thus far at the age of 25. I would like to migrate under the 189 visa in the near future, however, I do not have the educational qualifications for the role of accountant. I studied in Sydney 4 years ago, graduating with a Diploma in Information Technology and Database Management, and became an accountant the following year (trained of course). I wanted to ask, without the proper education for the role, but having work experience, will it negate the work experience and prevent me from passing the skills assessment? Or will providing evidence that I am an accountant (Proof of Employment Letter, Invoices, Bank transactions) be enough?
I hope to hear from you soon! Thanks in advance!
You need to have a degree to qualify.
Morning,
I would like to know from WORK EXPERIENCE field as you mentioned “You must have worked at least 20 hours of paid work per week and in your nominated skilled occupation, or a closely related occupation.”. Is this for surly 20 hours minimum?
If yes, I couldn’t find any information in immi.homeaffairs.gov.au about how many hours should we exactly work.
Regards
Although that’s the minimum we usually like to see that applicants work at least 30-35 hours a week.
Hi,
I am interested in applying for management consultant occupation (visa 189).
My qualifications, years of work experience, and job responsibilities match the requirements of this job.
However, I was not part of a consultancy company serving external customers. I was employed in the company.
I should mention that the company was big with around 250 employees.
I was wondering if I can get a PR for management consultant.
Yes management consultant qualifies for subclass 189, 190 and 491
Hi,
I applied for 189 in University lecturer (242111) with 65 marks. I have full marks for PhD and work experience from overseas. I am working non paid sponsored visa from the university of Queensland. what can i expect? Please let me know if anyone have an idea
Hello,
I have completed a bachelor of business and sustainability management and have almost 2 years worth of internship experience. I have scored 75 points and looking at sustainability consultant/advisor on the occupation list. What changes do I have to be picked if I have the relevant education but not yet experience in the field?
Thank you!
Hello,
I have completed a bachelor of business and sustainability management and have almost 2 years worth of internship experience. I have scored 75 points and looking at sustainability consultant/advisor on the occupation list. What changes do I have to be picked if I have the relevant education but not yet experience in the field?
Thank you!
Hi, William. You do not know how happy I am to have stumbled upon this web page, where everyone who addresses their concern in comments, gets a succinct response from you.
I do not know if I will be able to still get a response from commenting, but I will give it a shot.
I will be completing a Bachelor of Nursing from an Australian university soon and it has accreditation and approval from ANMAC/AHPRA (ANMAC is the assessing authority of Registered Nurse Occupations as you must know).
This means, upon course completion, I will be registered as a registered nurse with the Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia after the registration process.
In terms of points, I have done calculation and it shows that I will have 75 points (without having any points from having work experience).
With having said all that, my question is:
1. is it correct that “registered nurses nec” on the skilled occupation list, includes registered nurses who are registered with the Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia (,which would be me upon course completion)?
2. if so, is this the kind of occupation that requires work experience in order to be eligible to submit EOI and subsequently apply for 189?
3. so in your opinion, would I be eligible to submit EOI and apply for 189 after my course completion and registration with the board? (given that my points is high enough to be competitive).
Thank you so much for your responses in advance.
Hi, William. I hope I still can get a response from you in regards to my concern.
I will be completing Bachelor of Nursing from an Australian University and this degree has accreditation and approval from the ANMAC (the assessing authority of registered nurses for 189 visa)
This would mean that upon course completion, I will be eligible to apply for registration as a registered nurse in Australia.
In terms of points, I did some calculation and it showed me that I would have 75 points (without any points earned from work experience).
Therefore, after course completion, I would have 75 points and be registered as a registered nurse in Australia.
Having said all that, here comes my questions:
1. Would “registered nurses nec” on the skilled occupation list be the one that my status (graduate registered nurse) will be classified in?
2. If so, is registered nurses nec the kind of occupation that requires work experience in order to be eligible to submit EOI and be invited to apply for 189 visa?
Please respond to my concerns as it will be a huge guidance to my situation.
Thank you in advance for your response.
Nursing doesn’t require work experience to apply for skills assessment so you can choose whichever you are most qualified for.
No one thanks William. Thank you William for helping us all!
Thanks John!
Hi William.
I have a master’s degree in medical biotechnology. I have one year of work experience, but even without the work experience point(i know that i will get 0 points there because my work experience was less than 3years) i have my 65 points. The fact that my work experience is only one year, will cause me trouble?
It depends what you are working in and what occupation you are applying for.
Hi, which is better subclass 189 or 190?
And which one has more applications?
Both are for permanent residency so I would say they are both very good. Subclass 190 gets far more applications.
Hi,
Which one is better sub class 189 or 190?
Also, which one has a more chance of getting approved?
Thanks!
As both are for PR I would say they both have lots of benefits. Getting selected has many factors so it depends on your occupation and points score.
I will have 4 years and 11 months of working outside of australia when I arrive on a TSS visa next month. If i need to go for a 189, would this mean I cant get the 5+ years (10 points) and I only get 5 for 3-4 years? Thanks
It depends on the exact day you finish work outside of Australia. It has to be 5 years or more before you enter Australia.
Hi, I want to apply for a 189 visa.
I studied Architecture for 6 rears and I hold a bachelors degree, my work experience will be one year (officially) in April 2020 as an architectural visualizer.
I also have experience from freelance (about 5 years), does it count?
And finally, am I eligible to apply for a 189 or 190 visa? Thanks.
As a solicitor practising in England, what chance do I have of obtaining a permanent residency visa? I am open to any route that offers permanent residency and which does not require a job offer in order to apply. I have a bachelors degree, speak native English (and am willing to take an IELTS test), and I have been working in this profession continuously for 3 years. I estimate a points score of around 75-80. Thanks!
You need to get registered in Australia as a lawyer first.
Does Home Affairs consider Registered Foreign Lawyer status sufficient to meet the Skills Assessment requirement, or is it strictly necessary to re-qualify as a solicitor able to practice Australian law?
Does the PR process have anything to do with the fiscal year? Any quota per financial year or something? What is the best time in the year to apply?
Yes the financial year can make a difference, but there really isn’t any ‘best time’ you need to be in the game to get selected so we recommend going into the application pools as soon as possible
Hi
I am a Researcher in disability studies who is a physiotherapist. Can I claim my spouse points as a researcher.
Thabk you
Hi William
If I enter Australia as a dependent on my husband’s subclass 189 visa – I assume only he is eligible to work? How would I go about obtaining my own visa to work? I have a Masters degree, but my qualification is not listed on the skills lists.
Many thanks.
You both will get the 189 visa and hence both be allowed to work
Hi William,
Having read all the comments above, I still have some questions.
I have completed Masters degree in Business Administration from Norwegian University.
BUT I have been working as a Chef( no formal qualification) full time for 3 years now in fine restaurants.
2 years f which is in Australia.
I intend to join certificate 4 this year.
Do I still need to work fulltime for another 3 years after completion?
And do I get 15 points for my UNRELATED Norwegian qualification?
Bimal
You get 15 points for a degree. Qualifying as a chef requires a highly related qualification and 3 years work post-qualification
Hi can I claim 5 points to study in regional area while working part-time in a city or remote working for the employer in a city?
As long as you live and study in a regional area you can claim 5 points.
Hi,
I am a Chartered Accountant (ICAI) and I also a Bachelors of Commerce. While I apply for the skill assessment to be done for the PR sub class 189, do I need to submit the transcript documents for both the degrees or should I submit only for the CA degree (considered as Masters degree).
Please clarify. Thanks in advance.
Warm regards,
Digvijay Agarwal
You’ll have to follow whatever the assessing authority requires of you as there are 3 authorities for accountants.
I have a bachelor degree in Engineering in Brazil and I am currently studying a 2-year master of management in Australia. Before come to Australia I have worked for 10 years in the sales and marketing field. Applying for 189 or 190 visa, as marketing specialist, could I claim 15 points from my bachelor?
The formation should be related to the work experience?
I have a bachelor degree in Engineering in Brazil and I am currently studying a 2-year master of management in Australia. Before come to Australia I have worked for 10 years in the sales and marketing field. Applying for 189 or 190 visa, as marketing specialist, could I claim 15 points from my bachelor?
The formation should be related to the work experience?
Marketing specialist is not available for SC189. You would need to apply using your work experience and your degree
I just received my invitation and I am still in my home country, so I have 60 days to accept it but is there a time frame as to when am I allowed to enter the country please?
Typically you have 12 months after your visa grant to enter Australia. This start date is from the date you took the medical exam.
Hi there, very informative site. Thanks!
I am currently undergoing skills assessment for management consultant for the subclass 189 EOI.
As part of my EOI, I wanted to claim an additional 5 points as I have a 1-year working experience in AU. However, it is in a different skill code than management consultant, but in the same ANZCO unit code (ANZCO Group: 2247 Management and Organisation Analysts, Skill: Organisation and Methods Analyst). What documentation do I provide as substantiation in my EOI? Should I get a separate skills assessment for this 1-year work experience as organisation and methods analyst via VETASSESS on top of my original skills assessment for management consultant before I submit my EOI?
Thanks!
It’s up to you, a reference letter from your previous employer and proof you were paid should be enough.
I studied in Wollongong 2012-2014, can I claim that 5 points for studying in regional area now? As Wollongong is now considered a regional area too.
Please advise.
Yes you can
Hi there,
I have skill assessment in Computer Network but working as IT support intern (paid) for a year. Am i able to claim 5 points from my paid internship. Please note that this internship is not done for any qualification.
Depends what you did during your work and how many hours a week you work
Hi! My graduate visa expires in April and I’m waiting for TRA to send me an email to apply to step 4 (the last one) of the Job Ready Program. My agent told me all of a sudden that to apply to a 189 or PR there’s not enough time so I will have to apply to another visa in April to ‘buy time’ until I can apply to the 189. Any visa option that allows me to work full time??? I’m a child care professional.
Yeah there isn’t enough time for SC189 by April unless your occupation is very good AND your points score is very high.
Hi,
I have lodged EOI for 189, 190 and 491 visas with 70 points for the occupation Cartographer in the month Jan 2020. Would want to know what is the possibility of getting invitation before EOI expires and how much time can it take to get picked. In Jan2020 invitation round, through sources i could find that the cutoff points picked was 90 for this occupation.
The points score goes up and down throughout the year, so I don’t expect it to stay at 90 points forever. You’ll be good to consider state nomination as you have mentioned as that increases your chances.
Hello William
May I ask, is it possible to work as a freelancer while waiting on a decision regarding my PR (189)? For context, I am currently on a 457 (replaced by 482) which is due to expire in 6 months. Ideally, I want to avoid taking on another job/temp VISA, and if I get PR I want to be 100% freelance.
Thanks for any advice
Kenny
if you are on a bridging visa after your current visa expires and it allows you to work then you are allowed to work. Once your PR is granted you can do whatever you want.
Hi William,
I’m applying for my skills assessment with ACS and I have completed 1 year with relevant experience as ICT Business analyst and also completed Professional year. I would like to know which assessment type I should apply for? (Post Australian Study or Skill)
If I apply for ‘Skill’ will I be able to claim the professional year points as I have attained both at the same time.
Thanks in advance.
If it’s for the subclass 190 then you need a full skills assessment.
Hi William!
After obtaining a 189 visa, am I limited to working at jobs that are within the field of my nominated occupation? Or can I work in a different field if I decide to do so one day?
If there is such limitation – how strict is it? For example, if I get the 189 visa for a “Valuer” occupation (involves valuation of businesses/companies), would I be able to work as an “investment advisor” (which also involves a lot of business valuation work)?
Nope you can do whatever you want. If you want to start a new business you can do that too.
Hi,
If I am apply for 189 in General Accountant, could I be eligible for 10 points in STEM degree (such as Master of Science Research)? Specifically, if I study the Master research in STEM, could I be eligible for extra 10 points in Accounting stream of 189?
Thanks!
Only if you study in Australia and if the university is recognised
Hi William,
Zameer here, I would be getting my Ph.D. in Civil Engineering positively by this month-end and I am interested to apply for both 189 and 190 (Qld State Nomination). I would be having 85 points for 189 and 90 for 190. My query is 190 has a special pathway for Ph.D. graduates, did you come across any cases wherein an applicant has got the 189 invitation with lesser points owing to a Ph.D. I need to know this as right now, applicants with 90 points are getting the 189 invitations so would like to know whether I stand a chance with 85 points as I have a Ph.D.
States can select you at any points score so it’s hard to say
Hi, I have currently 75 points, and I am currently doing a PhD in Melbourne. I am on a study leave without pay from a job (lecturer and life scientist) for the PhD but before that I had 1 year and 8 months of experience (since October 2016-June 2018). In that case, as I am on study leave but still have the job back at home, shall I say I have more than 3 years of work experience counting the time until now and claim 5 points? Is it advised to increase scores to 90 before applying for 189 visa as there might be a chance to get rejected with 75 points that I have currently? As I will finish my PhD in December 2021, shall I wait before going for the VETASS/ EOI for life scientist occupation, or its better to start applying now?
There is an express pathway for PHD graduates for certain occupations in Victoria. You can’t claim work experience while you study if the work is not where you are.
Hi William,
May I ask you please. Is there a required minimum working hours per week when applying for 189 visa? I am on an international student visa. My husband is my dependent but we are under working limitation rights of 40hrs per fortnight as students. He is now working as registered nurse for 18mos and I am an Aged care worker for 3yrs. We can’t apply for 190 visa because it requires 35hrs a week of work. So are we eligible to apply for 189 visa instead? Thank you.
The SC189 looks at your occupation and points score, so it depends how high your points are and what occupation you have had positively assessed.
I worked as a senior iOS developer in the last 3 years but My Bachelor Degree is in management field and it is not related to my skill and experience.
Will my points be deducted?
I read somewhere that it is pretty normal for Developers to have different educational backgrounds in Australia but I am not sure.
Yes you will have deductions as you do not have an IT related qualification
Thanks But You said
Yes that should be fine as long as you have enough work experience (for management consultant) – you would get 15 points for your degree as well.
to answer this question
Hi, I want to apply for 189 independent subclass Visa, but I have a bachelor degree in Geology and my nominated occupation is management consultant. Would I still be able to get the 15 points for my degree? Thanks
Would you please clarify it for me?
Thank you again
IT occupations are different from non IT ones. If you don’t have an IT qualification and you are applying for an IT related occupation, you would get 5 years deducted from your work experience. Management consultant would be different.
Hi I have 2.3 years of work experience in software development in previous years. Will i get my skill assessment done in ACS. If my skill assessment is done, will I get 5 points for my work experience?
I have a computer science bachelor degree in Engineering in India and I am currently completed my 2-year master of information system management in Australia. Before come to Australia I have worked for 2.3 years in the IT field as software developer. Applying for 189 , as software engineer could I claim 5 points if i complete my skill assessment from Australian computer society?
You can only get 5 points if the ‘date deemed skilled’ from ACS comes back as 3 years or above.
Hi
I have logged EOI for 189 and 190 visa at 80 and 85 points respectively. I am currently on Temporary Graduate Visa (Subclass 485) and my visa will expire on July 2020. If i move back to my country in July, what will happen to my EOI?
Will my EOI still be valid and if i get the invitation can I return back to Australia? Or , Do we need to have a valid visa to accept EOI ?
Thank you for your help!!!!
Your EOI stays valid regardless of where in the world you are.
I have a bachelor degree in electronics engineering and 2 year work experience as software engineer with a master in information technology from australian university can I still get 189 visa if I meet all other points criteria i.e more 70 points with zero points for work experience.
As long as your occupation is assessed positively and it’s on the MLTSSL you are allowed to apply for subclass 189
Hi William Lee,
The minimum point for accountant to be invited was 95 is it still 95 or its going to be higher
currently I have 75 points but if I get pte 79 and naati I will get 95 points
since these exams are expensive and i have to go to another country rather iran is it worth taking these exams?
Thanks indeed
If you are applying for subclass 189 you’ll have to monitor the selection rounds each month – the more slots they release, the lower the selection points typically are and vice versa. Hard to say exactly if it’ll go down or up over the next couple of months due to covid-19 situation there right now
Hi,
I will be applying for 189 visa next year as a medical practitioner when I gain my general registration in January 2021.
I have 90 points.
What happens if my 485 working visa expires before I receive the invitation for 189? does EOI function as a bridging visa at all?
EOI does not function as a bridging visa – you will have to leave before your 485 expires
Hi William Lee
You are one of the best consultant and very helpful for all the persons all around world.
I have a query
I am a bsc (hons) agriculture graduate from India and have no work experience in my field. Still I have 70 points .
Am I eligible for apply for agriculture consultant occupation.
What are my chances with 70 points as I think there is less competition in agriculture as compare to engineering and accountant.
I am 22 year old should I wait for age 25 to increase my 5 point.
What is your suggestion.
Can I apply for more than 1 occupation at same time or I have to apply separately.
Can u arrange the profile of previous selected candidate for agriculture consultant or the cut off point for agriculture consultant.
If you reply in details it will be very useful for me .
Thank you so much in advance.
You’ll need work experience to apply for skills assessment.
can I apply my husband visa if I change my level from degree to trade cousre and move to another regional area? then what are the possibilities of getting my partners visa
Hi,
I will be applying for 189 and would like to do it with my partner as the secondary applicant. His skill is on the skills list and has completed the relevant education related to his nominated occupation from Melbourne. However, he do not have any work experience in it yet. Can he still be assessed and will the immigration accept this without work experience. The assessing body for his skill is ACS.
Thanks.
No he can’t get a skills assessment without work experience
Hello William,
I am curious to know can I claim the professional year point after 4 years of completion? If I cannot claim it then can I do the PY Course again? It’s a bit confusing because how come a course will expire once we did it. Can you please provide me some suggestions on this.
Thanks.
Hi, Is 90 points enough to get 189 visas, and do we need work experience for 189 visas or we don’t need?
It depends on your occupation, some occupations don’t need work experience to be assessed, while others have minimum years of work.
Hi
Is relevant work-experience a mandatory factor to have, applying for 189 VISA? If not, what would be the chances of getting through!! Any suggestions will be helpful, thanks!
It depends on your occupation, the more relevant work experience you have, the higher your points score will be
Hello,
I just need a clarification regarding my submitted EOI for 189 visa application.
I am a PhD graduate from Deakin University, Australia. My program was a full time study but was a collaborative program between a institute at India and Deakin University, Australia. I was at Chennai,India for 3 years during my PhD and last one year I spent at Deakin University.
When I sent my skill assessment to Engineers Australia for assessment (233914 Engineering technologist) I was given a outcome letter saying Bachelor’s is my highest AQF. Looks like my master’s degree was not suitable for that stream that I applied to.
I am just wondering if I will be getting only 15 points with regard to educational qualification for this case or 20 points because of PhD. I have not claimed Australian study requirement because of this reason.
EA has to assess you as PHD. You can contact them to ask them how this is done.
Hi there,
I have my degree in engineering with no work experience and 3 years work experience in ICT in Australia. Can I still apply to the skilled visa with ICT even though I have done a different degree?
Thanks,
Ariane
You’ll have to check the minimum work experience required. ICT usually needs 4 or 5 years of work experience if you have an unrelated degree.
I claim 5 points for regional living. All my documents have the PO Box address which is my postal address. Does the department accept the postal address as evidence for regional living?
You’ll probably need more than that – utility bills etc.
Hi! This page has been super informative. Thank you William for taking the time to answer all questions. However, I do have a question that I don’t see here, just wondering…
I had my OET English test done in Nov 2016 and had submitted my EOI for 189 visa on Feb 2019. However, due to the wait time, my English test had already expired in Nov 2019.
Even so, I recently received an invitation for my EOI application (submitted Feb 2019). Would I have to re-sit an English test before submitting documents for my invitation?
Hi William,
I did my OET in Nov 2016 (valid for 3 years) and had submitted my EOI in Feb 2019. Since it takes them awhile to get to each EOI application, my OET test had expired in Nov 2019.
Recently, they sent out my invitation to apply for the 189 visa. So I’m just wondering based on the current circumstances, would I need to re-sit for another OET test before I submit documents for my invitation?
Hi Danielle,
I am in the same condition, PTE test expired like 2 weeks ago and got an invitation. What should i do ?
Hi,
I am in same situation. What you guys do after invitation? Hope to hear from you!! Thank.
Hi William,
May I know if I can do jobs other than the skilled occupation via which I obtained the 189 visa after I land?
Many thanks.
Yes you can do whatever you want.
Hi William,
My husband is a Material Engineer, so I know that he has to do the skill assessment through Australia Engineer. But I want to know … Does he need to do the qualification assessment and skilled employment assessment? Or just qualification assessment?
Thank you
It’s optional, but you’ll need to be able to prove your points to DHA later
Hello,
I have the following questions:
1. My course is Electrical and Electronics Bachelors in Engineering however the Job I hold now is ICT Business Analyst. Would the course be ICT Minor or Major?
2. I noticed a set of documents in the Skills Assessment application for education as well as work experience (to supplement the education as part of skills assessment). This gives the requirement of Skills assessment letter. However for the remaining experience assessment (last 10 years), are the document requirements the same as in the Skills Assessment guidelines? I don’t see the document requirements anywhere on the immigration website.
Hard to say, they decide on a case by case basis. You can use your outcome letter from ACS for DHA points.
Hi, many thanks for the detailed post.
I have been working as an accountant in Australia for a year
My boss is a Chartered Accountant and Tax agent
He registered his business and ABN as Sole Trader, and employed 3 employees, including me
The ABN was registered in 1999 and his business is still going on since then
The business has no website
Am I eligible to claim work experience when working for a sole trader, not a company?
We have a physical office, he paid salaries to us.
Thanks
Yup I don’t see why not
Hello, I am interested in visa 189.
I have overseas work experience. Can I claim an Australian Ph.D. with a scholarship as a working experience as well? Is it actually mandatory to have at least 1-year work experience in Australia prior application?
Thanks.
Your work experience can be anywhere in the world, but you need to know where to claim it and how
Hi William,
I am currently waiting for an invitation for my 189 visa. When I submitted my EOI, the skill assessment was based on my previous job (I worked there for 1 year and 10 months). I am currently working at a new company now, but I have the same job scope (Food Technologist). My question is, do I have to repeat the skill assessment process? If not, will it affect my application after I receive an invitation?
Thank you.
Hi William,
Could you please advise, what does a case officer do when they come to check your workplace? What documentation do they require (granted that everything possible has been submitted). Who and what about would they want to talk to?
I am not aware that case officers physically check your office. They usually email or call to make sure the documents you provided to them are accurate.
Hi there,
Hope you guys are doing okay. My question is regarding my 189 visa which I lodged on 18th July 2019 with mechanical engg. occupation 233512 (0n shore application with 90 points as single applicant), but unfortunately I didn’t hear anything from the immi department yet. So, should I start a follow-up regarding my VISA process or wait until their response.
Thanks,
Ajay
Yes you can contact them as it’s almost 12 months.
Hello! I am a mechanical engineer too. How is your application going? do you hear any feedback from them regarding the Visa process?
Hi,
Im applying for visa 189 currently based in singapore. I have bachelor degree for Electrical Engineering and with 14 years experience in my field. Do i have to stay and work first in Australia for at least 1 year before i can apply for visa 189 or 190?
Michael
Hi Michael! No you don’t have to work or live in Australia to apply – please fill in this form and one of my colleagues will get back to you as we have an office in Singapore: https://australmigrate.com/get-free-assessment/
Hi William
I was wondering if you can extend assistance with ACS?
My husband filed for assessment, but due to difficulty in obtaining payment evidence from his pervious employment in the Middle East (no tax returns, closed bank accounts upon exit), he was only able to submit 1 (payslip) out of the required 2 payment evidence. So out of 10 years experience, he was only credited with 1 year. Thus we couldn’t proceed with visa applications.
The period to file an appeal has already ended though. So we were wondering if it would be futile to file using the same documents. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks.
You may want to consider SC491 – you can always resubmit to ACS but they will always require 2 forms of payment evidence.
HI,
Based on my skill assessment made 11 months ago, I had 2 years and 2 months of work exp (after the eligibility criteria of 4 years work exp). Now, I have 3 years and 1 month work exp. So I can get 5 points for relevant experience. The assessment is valid for 2 years (another year from now). Do I have to reapply for a new skill assessment to show at least 3 years of relevant work exp? Or can I submit the existing assessment and current employment details to show experience?
Hi,
I currently have a SI/189 visa and live outside Australia. The initial 5 year period expires in the coming months and, given the current COVID travel restrictions, I’m unsure that I would be able to travel there before the 5 year period ends. Am I able to renew the travel authority which would allow me to enter and settle in Australia after the initial 5 year period has passed?
Thanks
You may be able to get 1 more year, but you’ll need to provide strong reasons for doing so, have a read about the resident return visa and you’ll see what I mean.
Hi William,
I want to apply for visa 189 but I am not quite sure about the occupation part. I would greatly appreciate your advise. I am a researcher working at the Biomedical Engineering school of Sydney University for 1.5 years now. I have a 5-year degree in Molecular Biology and Biotechnology (Argentina), a 2 year master in Nanoscience (France) and a 3-year PhD in Physics (France). Could you please give me some advise regarding which occupation to select? From what I have seen in the list the one that gets the closest is Life Scientist.
I would expect to obtain 5 points from my work experience as a PhD since its directly relevant to my career as a researcher. Should I select Physics as my occupation in that case?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hi William,
I want to apply for visa 189 but I am not quite sure about the occupation part. I am a researcher working at the Biomedical Engineering school of Sydney University for 1.5 years now. I have a 5-year degree in Molecular Biology and Biotechnology (Argentina), a 2 year master in Nanoscience (France) and a PhD in Physics (France). Could you please give me some advise regarding which occupation to select? From what I have seen in the list the one that gets the closest is Life Scientist.
I would expect to obtain 5 points from my work experience as a PhD since its directly relevant to my current job. Should I select Physics as my occupation in that case?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hi Tomas, please submit your details via our contact form and we can have a look
Hi, I have a question regarding the points score. On 11 Apr 2020, the points score for subclass 189 approval was at 95. Is this score the same across all occupations?
Hi will a 4 year working experience overseas be at a better position than 3 year working experience? Will they be looking at specs or only solely at points as they both carry same points value..
It’s more about occupation and points. The more work experience the more points.
Dear gents. Is it necessary that the master of research field is the same as the ANZSCO code in skill assessment. For example, I was assessed for Electrical engineer , then I got a master research in Civil Engineering. Will I get 10 point for specialist education. Thank you.
Doesn’t matter what the field of study is.
Hello
I am married but we are separated.
Am I eligible to claim points for single while applying for visa 189/190?
Thanks in advance
Yes as long as they are not migrating over with you and you declare that in your application.
Full spouse points are confusing. I’m a Registered Nurse, she is a Web Developer. Both skilled. Both on the occupation list. Would we get the full 10 points or we both need to be in exactly the same occupation? Points Calculator from Home Affairs doesn’t clarify that. Thank you!
Both need to be able to apply for the same visa type. So if you are applying for 189, her occupation must be able to as well. Then you can claim partner points.
Hi William
I have secured 75 points and filed an EOI for 189 visa under 233111: Chemical Engineer in the month of Feb 2020. Can I expect invitation in near future?
Also is it ok tick all the other visa options in Skill select?
You can choose as many visas as you qualify for. How long it’ll take to get selected is hard to say at this point in time.
Hi,
I’m looking to start studying Carpentry in order to become a Skilled Worker.
I am currently planning on studying in the U.K., but am confused with the Australian Study Requirement.
Do I have to study the courses in Australia in order to meet the Study Requirement? Or can I gain the qualification equivalents in the U.K. and then head over to Australia?
If I graduate in the UK. will I not be able to apply for PR as I won’t have studied in an Australian institution, even though I have the necessary qualification for a Skilled Worker?
You’ll need to refer to your assessing authority to see the minimum requirements for your occupation. Doesn’t matter where you study, but requirements vary from one authority to the next.
Does Master Degree – coursework eligible for getting 15 points of 189/190 – Specialist education qualification or does it have to be a Master Degree by Research?
And if master degree (not bachelor) in Australia eligible to meet ‘Australian study requirement’ ?
Any degree or masters gives 15 points for education qualifications. For the additional 10 points for masters, yes it’s by research in a STEM subject (2 years of study)
Hi
Recently my husband got PR by Australian Gov
My question is what is the process for being a wife like how much time they take to give me visa. I want to know the whole process after PR ofmy husband for my visa?
You should have been attached to his visa application. If so, you have the same visa type as him and the same rights.
Good morning Mr. William
I am a CIMA qualified graduate from India. I would like to know whether the changes last done in November 2019 for Marital status would apply to me,
Considering I am a divorcee. What points will be allocated to me? Is it single or no points?
Please clarify.
Single applicant means applying for skilled migration yourself, so it doesn’t matter if you are a divorcee
Hi, what a great page and great information!
I have a couple of questions if that is okay?
My wife is going to apply for the 189 visa (possibly 190 too) she isVi a Sonographer and will be scoring 85 points on what we have so far, however:
1: I will be turning 40 in January (but not the skilled one) does that matter?
2: My wife has a current skills assessment (it expires end of October) if we don’t get the invite by then do we just get a new one?
3: We were living in Aus up until December, I was studying and my wife working in Geelong, Vic. Can we claim any of the study/regional area points as well as my wife’s work?
and final one…
4: Are medical and specialist jobs such as my wife’s being prioritised due to Covid?
Thanks so much
Gary
1) doesn’t matter about your age
2) yes you need to renew it before then
3) work – depends if it’s full time work after the minimum academic qualifications required, if you stayed for 2 years and graduated in Australia then yes points comein
4) some are, but not necessarily for skilled migration points selection purposes
Thank you William.
Hi, I have applied for 189 visa and currently waiting for the outcome. Can I change my occupation at this stage? (e.g. closely related occupation to my visa application)
If you’ve received an invitation and just pending visa grant, it doesn’t matter what you do – occupation wise.
Hi William,
Thank you for these information! It certainly has helped many in their quest for Australian immigration and that includes me.
In my case, I hold a a Bachelors degree in Computer Science and a Masters degree in Information Technology both degrees were earned from the Philippines.
I have been working as an Asst Professor in a higher education institution as full time for almost 13 years my work is focused on teaching software engineering and programming courses. I have also held administrative roles such as the CS and IT Program Chair for almost 7 years. I also had the opportunity to work as Vice Dean for the College of IT. Aside from these, I have also been tasked to implement the learning management system across all colleges as EduTech Lead for 2 years and continuous to develop courseware for the courses assigned ro me.
Considering what I have been doing in the past years can I have an ACS accreditation as Software Engineer or Programmer? I have also been teaching in the graduate school (MBA) information technology courses and have been doing ICT related research work.
I’m planning to apply for 189 visa. Thank you so much!
You might be better off applying as university lecturer.For IT occupations you would need to prove active work.
Hi William, is it necessary to have research articles published in a reputed journal to be eligible for University Lecturer?
Reputable is subjective, but you need cited publications for sure.
Hello,
I have applied for GSM 491 visa application where all supporting documents have submitted after CO request however I haven’t get final decision yet.
Here my question is, during this processing time if my English test results expired then old one is enough or do I need to resit the exam?
Thank you
As long as your english test was valid at time of invitation you are fine.
Hi William,
It’s great to see the efforts put in by you to answer each and every comments on the page.
I would also seek your assistance for below query –
Currently me and my wife are scoring 75 points and would like to apply for 189 and 491 visa options. I have my brother living in Sydney for last 5 years who is a Permanent Resident over there. His postal code is 2153.
Can I get family sponsor visa and take extra 15 points for 491 visa?
Do we get any edge in 189 visa selection process as my blood relation is already living there?
Please help me with these.
Much Thanks in advance!
189 is purely based on points. For 491 you’ll have to check if his post code is considered regional. If he lives in Sydney then unlikely. Best to check.
Hi, I have PhD from an overseas country. If I want to claim 20 points for my educational qualification (with my PhD degree), does it compulsory to assess my PhD qualification with EA or not?
Yes you need it assessed.
Many thanks William.
Hi, I lodged eoi this month
1) what are the chances to get invite on 85 points for Civil Engineer?
2) My Masters degree is assessed by engineers Australia. Is it necessary to include bachelors degree in education qualifications section of EOI?
Thanks
Hard to say based on occupation and points score as it’s currently essential services first. You need to include all academic details in your EOI
Thanks
Hi,
I have a question regarding regional points for study. When I arrived here, I stayed for the first few months in a non-regional area before moving into regional area where my campus was. Will this be okay in terms of getting the points for regional study?
Thanks.
Hi,
I am a Registered Nurse (Mental Health – UK trained) and am planning to apply for 189/190 visa. I understand I’ll need to do the ANMAC skills assessment before submitting my EOI. However, I am unclear if I can do this without first registering as a nurse with AHPRA? I am not sure if AHPRA registration has to happen before I can submit my EOI?
Many thanks,
Jay
You have to get registered with AHPRA first before you can apply to ANMAC
Hi. I am currently on a bridging visa for visa 189 and I am waiting for my visa to be approved. However, I have been hired to a new job, should I update my application? Thank you.
You can if you want to, but since you are waiting for visa grant you don’t need to
I’ve studied a Bachelor in Perth in from 2014 – 2018, and Perth was only reclassified as regional last year.
Can I still claim the 5 points for regional study?
Yes you can
Hi there, I read from above that you may be able to provide the service of a professional document check. I have just sent an enquiry via the online form, please could you share some more details? Thank you.
Please use the contact form and send it again as I don’t see anything from your email
Hello,
I have all the required skills but my spouse has no English knowledge at all and no skills.
Is it mandatory for my spouse to have English requirement and skills to be eligible for this visa?
I mean can I proceed with the EIO with spouse have no english and skills?
Your spouse is not required to take the English test, however if you can’t prove functional English you will need to pay a surcharge at the invitation to apply stage
Howdy,
I just have a question or two. A friend recently made the decision to change what he is studying from business to motor mechanic. For some reason Immigration has asked and requested some information, Resume, Work history and tax information. It feels like they are looking to investigate for something.
I was wondering if you guys had any information to why the government might want to look into someones history and details after changing courses?
And when usually asking for these details, what is the underlying reason in most cases?
Any and all information would be highly appreciated and helpful,
Thanks
Kind Regards
Rick
Hello Mr Lee,
I was wondering if you could assist with my question
Kind Regards.
Is it mandatory that I need to have valid English tets and skill acessment report at the time of applying skilled migration visa? Or they are required only at the time of submitting EOI?
You need both prior to submission of your EOI
Please which type of IELTS is required for Australian visa subclass 189? Is it academic or general training?
Any will be fine for points purposes.
Hi William,
I am a CIMA graduate from India. I have been charged with a False criminal case in the past but subsequently acquitted by the Court of Law. Will i face any issues in my EOI and later stages.
Please let me know.
Sincere Regards
Hi William,
I am a CIMA graduate from India. I have been charged with a False criminal case in the past but subsequently acquitted by the Court of Law. Will i face any issues in my EOI and later stages.
Please let me know.
Sincere Regards
It depends on your police clearance. This happens at the ITA stage.
Hello Mr Lee,
I was wondering if you could assist with the previous question above. Ill copy and paste it here. Please assist….
I just have a question or two. A friend recently made the decision to change what he is studying from business to motor mechanic. For some reason Immigration has asked and requested some information, Resume, Work history and tax information. It feels like they are looking to investigate for something.
I was wondering if you guys had any information to why the government might want to look into someones history and details after changing courses?
Any and all information would be highly appreciated and helpful,
Please assist
Kind Regards.
Unfortunately I can’t answer that question as its’ related to student visas. Best to check with the university or person who applied for your visa?
Hi William,
I have been charged with a False criminal case in the past but subsequently acquitted by the Court of Law. Will i face any issues in my EOI and later stages.
Please let me know.
Sincere Regards
Hello Mr Lee,
I was wondering if you could assist with my question above…
Kind Regards
Rick
Hello,
I was wondering if I can not claim my Masters Degree because I was working at the same time and this way I would receive more points?
I would claim my Bachelors Degree only and that way I would have two more years of work experience.
Kindest,
Bachelor’s and Masters is worth the same amount of points on the points test.
Hi. Need a clarification.
ACS mentioned effective date : July 2010
Experience gap : 2 years and 1 month in last 10 years (Jan 2013-Feb 2015)
EOI Submit: Oct 01 2020
Based on ACS results : I have 8+ years from July 2010. But, While EOI submit it gave only 10 points . Why ?
After a month of EOI submission, i still do not see 8Y for work. Why ? – (Assuming 1 month accumulated to gain 8Y+ after submission).
Thanks
Np
Kindly Note – Im still working for the same job assessed by ACS
Is it mandatory to get a reference from my previous employer to prove my work experience? Or is a current one sufficient?
It depends how many points you are trying to claim. The more work experience, the more documents you will need to collect.
Hello,
For 189 visas does my spouse need to have IELTS and/or skill assessment when I apply for the EOI? Or does my spouse need to have IELTS and/or skill assessment when the time I apply for the PR after I receive an invitation? Can I apply without IELTS for my spouse by just proving functional English? Please advise me when do I need to have IELTS or skill assessment for my spouse or whether I can apply without any of them.
Thank you
If you aren’t claiming points for your spouse then functional English is fine
I am a divorcee. Will I be eligible for single 10 points in Australia PR?
Yes you will
Is it possible to apply for 189 visa without my spouse taking english test? she satisfies the criteria of functional english as she did a four year course in a university where medium of instructions was english. Is it possible to apply for 189 without claiming any points for her?
Yes you can do that
Hi, I have admitted in Western sydney university this july. now i will apply for transfer to charles darwin university. i have completed 20 credit in present university . I f i complete other 140 credit in regional area for my master of engineering (Civil) course in two years, will i be eligible to claim regional point? I have got my visa few days ago.
Hi
I am planning on applying for a 189 visa and having my skills assessed with Vetasses as I have an NVQ 7 in senior construction management, would my wife and 20 year old daughter need the IELTS test would this add points?
Your wife could add points by taking the test, your daughter would not need to take the test if you hold an approved passport
Dan
Did vetassess recognise your NVQ7? I’m currently trying but they won’t recognise that or my MCIOB
Hi, since they require medical officers/practitioners during and post covid-19, are the chances better for us doctors to get a PR with lower points when applying for 189 visa? Or still better for us to apply for 186.
You should apply for whatever you can to increase your chances across multiple visa types
Hi, Is there any requirements for the minimum number of employees in an organisation for the work experience to be counted? also what if the company is a startup and I work as a Developer Programmer in the company for 1+ year with minimum 35 hours per week. will that be considered as skilled employment ?
There is no minimum size of a company. For work experience, anything more than 30 hours a week is typically considered full time employment.
Hi, I have a master of science in Chemistry. I’m French.
I would like to apply for the occupation Chemist.
However since I got my master’s degree my job titles were always chemistry technician.
Can I still apply for the visa without claiming any points experience ( <3 years ) if I get 70 points without it where are my chances?
Or may my work as chemistry technician be a "closely related occupation" and be considered in the skill assessment?
Thanks.
Chemistry technician and chemist are not closely related occupations for migration purposes. You’ll have to apply for the one you are most qualified for.
Hi, I have a bachelor science degree in Biology from Iraq. But I have 5 years experience in Health and Safety in Oil and Gas industry and construction industry. how can i make a match between my qualification and work experience ? .. I am planning to apply for Skilled Visa (189 or 190) for PR purposes. i am currently on bridging visa and living in Melbourne for 2 and a half year and worked in the professional construction companies.
any help will be appreciated. thanks
You’ll have to check the requirements for your occupation versus the degree that is required. Some allow non related, other will not.
Hello,
I find this website very useful, so before all let me say thank you in advance.
I have two questions:
1st- I currently have a sponsored visa under the “civil engineering draftperson 312211” occupation. I have assessed my experience while working on this visa in Engineers Australia to make it valid as related to OTHER OCCUPATION, “civil engineer 233211”, and I have successfully validated it. My intention is to send an EOI (189 & 190) for the occupation “civil engineer 233211” and make the points of experience to be taken on count. Even Engineers Australia has already told me that the experience is valid I am afraid the government will find it wrong that I validated experience on a “civil engineering draftperson” visa to be used in an “civil engineer” application. Do you think this would be a problem?
2nd- The expression of interest instructions indicate that we need to write down the experience we have “as shown in the assessment”. My work experience assessment shows a fix period of time that was assessed (2 years – from when I started until the date of the assessment), but I am still working in that job so my first thought is to input this work experience as “still current” (this is, to leave the end of work date empty – cause I’m still working!). Should I write the end of work date as shown in the assessment (so it will be a fix time – this will represent better the assessment, not my current activity) or should I leave it empty so the time keeps counting (this case will represent better my current activity)?
Thanks
Hi,
I have recently obtained Graduate Certificate (AQF Level 8) from an Australian University via online learning. Am I eligible to claim 15 points for educational qualification with the Graduate Certificate? I already did my ACS skills assessment earlier with a Diploma.
Thanks!
As long as you can prove that it’s AQF level 8 then yes it’s worth 15 points.
Hi,
I am at score of 80 points, my partner is a doctor and am a software engineer. can i get the 10 points ? or will i get only 5 points ?. She scored B is OET and have around 5 years experience as doctor in india with MBBS degree
Both of you would have to do a skills assessment to be able to claim points in the same application.
Hi,
To get partner/spouse points does he/she need to apply for 189 Visa separately? If not, is it required to do his/her skill assessment as well?
Thanks
You apply together, yes they would need to do a skills assessment and have an occupation on the MLTSSL
Hi,
I have obtained 75 points but my spouse’s occupation is not listed in the skilled occupation list. Can I still apply for the 189 subclass visa?
Thank you.
Hi,
If I get my PR on the basis of one skill area, do I have to work in that skill area on arrival, or can I apply for any job?
Thanks
You can do whatever you want as a PR
Hi, I have lodged my visa 189, and I am waiting for the grant. Now I have a scholarship to conduct my PhD in an Aus university. Can I apply for a student visa while my permanent visa is being processed. Thanks
You can but I would probably wait for your subclass 189 to be granted as student visas are not being readily approved right now.
Hi,
My husband points are 75, and he is turning 40 in Sep’21. We just going to apply for assessment, do we have chance to get invited before he turns 40?
What is the duration it will take from EOI to invite during this time (2021).
Hard to say as it varies based on occupation, visa type and state. Especially this year during Covid, but you can still get selected after he turns 40 as well so keep that in mind.
Hi There,
If I was successful in securing a 189 visa, will I still retain my UK passport and also be able to return to the UK to work?
Yes – residency has nothing to do with your existing citizenship
I have completed Mechanical Engineering and have a 10months of experience as a Heat Ventilation and Air Conditioning Design Engineer. If I am able to score 75 points without claiming any experience, Shall I apply for subclass 189 Visa.
You can apply for both sc189 and 190 to improve your chances
Hi William, I am in the process of completing my Skills Select EOI. My highest Education is Masters which I studied in the UK. Do I also have to have completed course in Australia in addition?
Your masters is fine. Having an Australian course completed is not mandatory.
Hi, myself and my wife are both secondary school teachers, we have 3 dependents. do we lodge one 189 visa application for the whole family?
Yes one application is fine
Hi William,
Thank you for great information.
I have a question and it would be of wonderful help if you tell me the answer.
I am a general practitioner and I have been working for 2 years after my graduation. However, I passed a period of paid medical internship during my study for a year and half.
Can i consider and claim that 1 year and 0.5 as my work experience when applying for visa subclass 189?
Thank you so much in advance
You can claim any paid work experience relevant to the occupation you are applying under
Hello, I have completed bachelor degree in industrial engineering. Do i need to have work experience to get 15 points?
No you don’t
Hi William,
What are the chances of getting an invitation for 189 on 90 points for ICT security specialist (262112)? I do not have work experience. I have positive skills assessment and already lodges the EOI. My temporary visa is expiring in June this year. Do you think I should lodge a student visa or wait for the invitation?
If the government releases a moderate amount of slots for the 189 program you have got a chance, however there is no telling if that will happen before June as they are doing selections once every quarter now, instead of monthly.
Hi there,
With current legislation, for 189 visa, does the partner HAVE TO get at least competent English in order to be able to apply? The reason I am asking is that I can manage to get the 65 points required, but I am not sure my wife will be able to get competent English.
Thanks in advance
Only main applicant needs competent English, partner or spouse requires functional English
If i am applying for the 189 visa using social work skills does that mean i have to only work in social work if approved or can i work wherever i like?
You can work in whatever field you want when you get to Australia
assuming the PR is granted to Principal as well as to his family indicated in teh application. does that mean the we are not allowed to travel in and out Australia for 5 years to apply for Citizenship?
There is a maximum number of days allowed for citizenship within a 4 year period. You can leave, just have to be within those days.
Do I need to have secured a job before I can be granted the 189 visa?
Or can I apply for the visa and get granted first before I look for job in Australia?
And is there a time frame that I need to secure a job from the time the visa has been granted?
Thanks
No you can be granted a visa anytime.
HI William,
I’m on temporary visa (482). Can I get additional points for just enrolling in any course or degree. OR I can get the points only after I complete the course. If I can get points for just enrolling, can you please suggest me a course that cost less and takes less time to finish in the field of computers.
After completion of at least 2 years study
Hi William,
I have skills assessed for Analyst Programmer from ACS. Can I have my skills assessed for Software Engineer for the same period from ACS now.
They may not allow for the same period as it overlaps
I am on a student visa at the moment, will finish my bachelor of nursing at the end of the year and my student visa ends shortly after it. Is there any way I can apply for 189 straight away and stay in Australia ? Or should I apply for a graduate visa and go through the process of 189 during my graduate visa?
You will need to get a graduate visa first to remain in Australia legally
Hi William,
I’ve got the former german diploma degree (mechanical engineer) before they changed the system to bachelor/master.
Does this count as “diploma” or “Bachelor/Master”?
I’m not sure, you’d have to do a CEP search for that, or ask VETASSESS to do an assessment
Hi Williams,
My nominated occupation Zoology and its assessment body is Vetassess. However, during my time of employment I was paid in cash only. How do I go about this when I need to provide employment evidence?
Hi Willams,
My nominated occupation, Zoology is assessed by Vetassess. I have work experience although I was always paid in cash. How do I go about this with regards to employment evidence in order to be positively assessed?
Thanks.
Payslips
Hi, currently I am in the final year of my PhD in the field of agricultural science. I completed my BSc in 2014 and worked until 2016. Can VESTASS consider my PhD as experience for skill assessment? I get paid and work 75 hours/fortnightly in the field of my skill.
You can always try, if they don’t recognise it they’ll ignore that part of your work experience and look at the rest instead
Hi William,
I’d like some advice please, we are UK citizens thinking of applying for 189 visa for occupation 242111. We have 75 points, just a few of things we aren’t sure of:
1) My husband had a post-doctoral position in Australia (Chemistry) for a period of 5 years. Is this counted as work or study?
2)Is the 189 the best visa to go for?
3)Is Ielts the only option in order to obtain 5 points for superior English?
Many thanks for your assistance
You can consider PTE as well.
I would recommend applying for a 189/190 and 491 (depending on where you currently live).
Hi – Is it good enough if I manage to get 75 points for ICT Project Manager occupation? Is that occupation is in demand?
All occupations on the occupation lists have a level of demand, however for getting selected for a visa you’ll have to apply for a state nomination
Hi Danielle,
I am in the same condition, PTE test expired like 2 weeks ago and got an invitation. What should i do ?
Hello,
Thanks for the above info, really helpful!
Myself and my partner are looking to move to Australia and are going to apply for the 189 visa. I would be eligible as a SLT, once I have received a positive letter from SPA, and he would be eligible as a Fire Engineer. Can we apply with one visa, for example if my partner applies for the 189 with me as a secondary, or should we both get a 189 visa? What would it mean if I was a secondary on his visa in terms on my work and living rights?
Many thanks in advance.
1 visa is enough for a family.
I have a BSc Physics degree, a MSc Materials Engineering and MSc Fire Engineering degree and would be seeking employment as a Fire Engineer. Would the 234999 NATURAL AND PHYSICAL SCIENCE PROFESSIONALS or Engineering Professional skilled employment role be more appropriate for my application? I understand Engineers Australia require a BEng for the skills assessment for the latter which I do not have
Hard to say – refer to ANZSCO job duties to see which matches. Although I don’t see an issue with your degree, you can probably use your MSc
Hi,
Once in on a independant skilled visa, let’s say 2 years, would I be able to start up a business? Or do I have to apply for a different visa for that
You can start a business on day 1.
Hi William,
My Partner has completed his PTE with superior English, I wanted to know how long does these scores last?
Is it the same as primary applicant.
Thanks.
IT’s valid for 3 years.
Hi William,
I am expecting an offer (internal company transfer) under skilled worker. I am 40year old and i have done Master in Geology.
Is it must to have english proficiency test even for skilled worker visa valid for 2 years?
For subclass 482? Yes – https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/temporary-skill-shortage-482/sufficient-english
HI William,
I have applied for 189 visa. Can i apply for 190 in the same application & update or do i have to open a new EOI for 190 application.
Please guide.
Thanks & Regards
1 EOI is enough
Hey,
I am an MD (from the university of queensland), have worked 2 years in Australia and currently in my post graduate year 3. At the moment I am a locum doctor (no permanent contract). Am I still eligible to apply for the 189 despite not having a permanent contract?
For doctors, as long as you are registered with ahpra you can apply without work experience.
Hi, I am keen to apply for visa class 189 under the occupation- “University Lecturer”. How many years (and hours per week) of work ex should I ideally have? Also, in which all jurisdictions shall I be able to qualify for. Many thanks.
Full time work is typically 30 hours a week. You’d need at least 1 year of work experience at a relevant level with a relevant academic qualification.
Hi i have done my BA LLB (5 years) from a recognized university in India. Thereafter i have a work experience of 10 years as in-house counsel for a public sector company. Am i eligible to apply under 189 or 190? Thanks in advance
Most likely 190
Hi William , What happen if I turned 33 when my EOI is lodged ? I loose 5 points ?
Thank you very much
Yes
I don’t know why the post disappear after i post.
Dear William,
I have completed a master’s degree in Architecture from an Australian university, skilled assessed. I live in Sydney since 2015. I have more than 65 points. My question is Can I apply for 189 visa EOI as architect? Asking for the present time as May to April 2021. I am living in Sydney as they do not have an Architect in 190 SOL, so I don’t have much choice.. It will be a great help if you answer my question. you can also recommend some solutions. I would like to thank you very much for helping so many people here.
Regards,
You can always try. 65 points for onshore SC189 is low at this point in time. I would look into SC190 of other states and even SC491.
Spouse has competent English and has a Positive Skill Assessment–In this items does one need to provide experience letter also or a degree will work.
For points purposes, you already have enough.
Hi William,
me and my partner prepared all our documents for NZ but we decided to switch our migration to Oz. Could we use the skill assessment from NZQA? And we have gotten our NZ teaching Council registration, could we use it to convert to a teaching registration in Oz?
Thanks in advance.
You have to do your assessment in Australia unless otherwise stated by your assessing authority. You can see if AITSL has a trans-tasman arrangement to convert your registration over to theirs.
Hi William,
I am applying for visa 189 and I have a question regarding obtaining (10) points for partner skills qualification where de facto meets age, English, and skill criteria.
Will we get the 10 points if:
1. my partner and I have the same occupation but his years of experience (7) is less than mine (10)
2. my partner’s PTE test scores are lower (less than 79 for each skill) than mine (at least 79 for each skill)
Appreciate your help!
1 – yes
2 – needs to be above 50 for PTE that’s all
Thanks so much, William!
Hi William,
Greetings!
I need your advice regarding ACS skills assessment requirement which is employment reference letter.
I was employed by an agency (for 6 mos) and the client that I was deployed to directly hired me ( for 1.5 yrs) after my agency contract was done.
Currently, I can no longer contact this agency (HR/Helpdesk not responding to emails, calls not being answered, no employees in the office) to request for an employment reference letter, although they still seem to be operational.
My question is, since the client had supervised my actual work and they will be providing an employment reference letter (since i was directly hired by them for 1.5 yrs), can they include in the same employment reference letter my work duration and R&R for the agency (6 mos) so that my experience will still sum up to 2 years?
I managed to keep the payment evidence provided by the agency, so I hope this will suffice as proof of employment.
Thanks!
Hi, will they open the selection rounds in this year for 189?
They never stopped selection rounds for SC189, it is now held every quarter.
I am working part time engineer outside Australia while continuing my PhD program for 4 years. My part time engineering position is 20hrs/wk. Will this part-time be assessed as 4 years of working experience or 2 years by DIPB? for visa 189/190 category
Hello, I’m working as a junior doctor in Australia, under 482 Visa (ANZCO code: 253317- Intensive Care Specialist). Next year I’m planning to apply for job in Anaesthesia. (ANZCO code: 253211). – 482 visa as well.
I do not have Specialist registration but will get General Registration next year.
1. For 189 Visa application, may I nominate my occupation as Intensive Care Specialist despite working in Anaesthesia next year?
2. or is it compulsory to be working in the nominated occupation for 189 visa. If so, till when? until Invitation / grant of Visa?
For 189 you can nominate whatever you are qualified in, however for points for work, you can only choose work experience from one or the other, unless they fall under the same ANSCO group.
Hello
My husband and I are medical practitioners overseas with 8 years of experience and want to apply for subclass 189 visa. We do not have AHPRA registration. Will this impact us negatively.
Without registration you wouldn’t be able to even apply, so you’ll need to do that first
Hello William,
I am a Ph.D. student with a scholarship in Civil Engineering discipline in Turkey. I am planning to apply to Engineers Australia for both qualification and relevant skilled employment assessment. Would they accept my scholarship as skilled employment?
Many thanks in advance for your reply.
skilled employment must be paid by an employer to do work in the field
Hi!
I have a bachelor in Information Technology and this degree was completed in Australia. Now I am thinking of doing a professional year program to get extra 5 points and my age is between 18-24 so I don’t have a lot of points. How many points do I need to apply for 189 visa and I have stayed in Australia for over 3 years.
Subclass 189 varies from quarter to quarter. You can reference the allocation rounds on the Home Affairs website to see what it’s currently set at.
HI William,
I’m Prabha from Sri Lanka. Already 41. I’m planning to apply for visa subclass 189 during 2022. I ‘m thinking to apply for social worker 272511.
According to the point calculation I can achieve 65. What is the possibility to get a chance with point 65?
I have a bachelor degree in my Country. and work experience of 12 years in the government.
I have 1.5 years of Masters in University of Melbourne. Will it help me to add more points?
65 points is a bit on the low side, you should widen your options for either a subclass 190 or 491, assuming social worker is the correct occupation as well
Hi William,
I’m Prabha from Sri Lanka. Already 41. Thinking to apply visa subclass 189 in 2022 for Social worker 272511.
I have a bachelor degree in my country with 12 years of government work experience.
As per the point calculation I can achieve 65. Is there any possibility for that work category with this amount of points?
I have a masters in University of Melbourne , but it is 19 months degree. Can I add more points using that?
I am Materials Engineer by qualification but has over 5 years of experience in Technical Sales & Business Development. How the assessing authority will assess my degree with my experience? do i get the required points?
It really comes down to your job duties, if there is enough overlap in material engineering or similar
I have listed my partner in my EOI and her nominated occupation is Geophysicist. She has a bachelors degree in relevant field but no work experience. Is work experience required to claim the points or is a positive assessment of qualification enough?
It depends on your assessing authority, I would think geophysicist needs work experience for a positive assessment
I am Filipino, and wish to apply as chef in Sublass 189. I am married to an English National. but he would not initially plan to join me as he has a business in the UAE. Can I still claim 5 points as he is my ‘Spouse with Competent english’, even though he would not join me in Australia in this application ?
Yes that’s fine.
Hi, I am Solicitor and my partner is a Registered Nurse. Both of our occupations are on the SOL list. But my occupation isn’t included NSW 190 nomination in the current year. If my partner got an invitation from a 190 visa, will she be able to claim 10 points for being a skilled partner? or Will she be able to claim only 5 points. Your answer is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Hi William, I am Solicitor and my partner is a Registered Nurse. Both of our occupations are on the SOL list. But my occupation isn’t included NSW 190 nomination in the current year. If my partner got an invitation from a 190 visa, will she be able to claim 10 points for being a skilled partner? or Will she be able to claim only 5 points. Your answer is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
You both would need to do skills assessments to claim points to each other for the 190 visa.
Hi,
What is the usual time period given to enter by.
So on the grant notification it would state a date to enter and start the visa, how long do they normally give you to do this?
I understand you then have 5 years of PR from that date.
Thanks
You have approximately 12 months to make your initial entry to Australia, although because of Covid this hasn’t really been enforced due to travel limitations
Hi, Does the PR (sub class 189) status for a secondary applicant is affected after divorce considering both the partners have already made their first entry in order to activate the visa.
Can a secondary applicant still continue to have the PR rights or will it be cancelled ?
Nothing will happen to the partner after the visa is granted. Each person has their own PR.
Hi there William Lee :o)
I have been reading your helpful replies in this forum. They been great. Thank you for the prompt responses to people’s questions
I am hoping you can help me with a slightly dumbo question.
I am applying via the NZ Stream of 189, I am almost done with the online application.
On Page 15 of the application, it is asking for contact person details like their full name, business & mobile phone numbers.
Right below is a question about Position Details, in this bit, do I list down my Occupation Title about myself or do I list down the position detail and the start date of my contact person that I have listed?
I know it’s a silly question but are you able to clarify for me
What does the heading say right before that?
Hello,
Any idea if paid PhD work (work contract with social contributions paid at a market rate) would count towards work experience for a researcher (life scientist/biochemist)? VETASSESS is quite vague in this regard, and it makes a difference of 10 points in my case whether they accept it or not.
Thanks in advance!
Hi William
I hope you are doing well during this pandemic.
I’m wondering if I can ask you some questions about claiming overseas experience as I have people telling me different things. I have completed my bachelor degree in accounting in Australia and received positive qualification assessment from CPA at the end of 2016. From 2017 to 2019 I was on a student visa to continue studying master degree in Australia as well. During the study of my master degree (2017-2019), I was working in a firm in my country as a financial accountant. Due to the nature of the role, I was able to work from home so I have been working from Australia during my master degree and only had to be physically at the firm in Summer. I have worked for the firm for 3.5 years and I want to claim 5 points for overseas experience. So my questions are:
1- I was working for the firm in my country 20 hours a week as I was a full time student. Does overseas experience have to be full time to claim the 5 points or does 20 hours a week for 3 years also qualify for the 5 points?
2- Am I eligible to claim the point if I was in Australia while working for an overseas firm? ( I was working from Australia 8-9 months year and the rest of the time I had to be at the company for financial year end purpose).
3- If I were on student visa in Australia, can I work more than 20 hours per week if the firm I work for is overseas and is non-Australian company? Or does the 20 hours per week rule still apply?
I’d really appreciate your time.
Work experience can be made up of part time experience added up to the equivalent of full time experience (in total hours). Not too sure about the rest to be honest, haven’t looked into that specific combination of work experience, typically overseas work is not in Australia, onshore work is.
So in this case does that mean you need nearly 6 years of experience of 20 hours a week to claim 5 points ?
Full time work is around 30 hours a week. So not exactly 6 years, it’ll be less.
Is the first time you issue payment for your 189 visa application at the ITA stage? This suggests you are 90% through the process and in most cases you will be granted a visa?
You have to pass medical, character and security checks – if all is good, they’ll grant your visa.
May I know if the number of years of experience matters for secondary applicant of the 189 Visa?
From the point system it seems that it doesn’t matter. As long as one is verified by the respective authority (like VETASSESS) to be skilled in the nominated occupation, have competent English and have related work experience. The number of years of experience would not affect the points granted. Is the understanding correct?
It’s all on the main applicant for work experience points.
Mr. William Lee
I’m industrial engineer and I have 65 points. Based on your experience in that matter, if I apply for the subclass 189 with 65 points as industrial engineer, approximately how much time I will wait till I get my invitation?
Thanks for your reply in advance.
At 65 points I would recommend the subclass 190 and 491 instead as they are better alternatives
Here, I don’t have to bring my parents with me as soon as I get positive result for my permanent residency. But they will join me in future.
Do I need to answer YES for – Are there any family members the client would like to include in a future application? while apply my Expression of Interest?
Please Help!!
Dear William lee
I have a master degree(M.TECH) in electrical engineering. and currently I am working as a lecturer in Polytechnic college . I have a more than four years of teaching experience in college. does I get any POINT for this teaching experience in PR application for the subclass 189.
I will be waiting for your reply
thank you
Depends what occupation you choose
My wife had signed a 3 year work contract in Australia and her employer will sponsor her PR via the ENS Temporary Residence Transition Stream (subclass 186) after she completes her 3 years work.
However, the condition attached to the subclass 186 is: “You must not marry or enter into a de facto relationship before entering Australia.
We might cancel your visa if we find out you were engaged, married or in a de facto relationship before we granted you the visa but did not tell us.” according to the Australian government website https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/check-visa-details-and-conditions/see-your-visa-conditions?product=186-5
Does that mean she can’t get the subclass 186 unless she is divorced?
Thanks for your reply in advance.
Email them and tell them they made a mistake on the condition, unless you forgot to declare you were married
Mr William Lee
I recently graduated with my Bachelor of Chemical Engineering degree in Australia and I am currently pursuing my masters. I have only work experience from internships, which is less than 1 year. But I am able to score 85 points on the Subclass 189 visa type. Can I make an application, or am I supposed to accumulate more work experience?
You can apply as long as you have 65 points or more
Mr. Lee
I am a Business Analyst and wish to apply for the 189/190 Visa. In regards to additional 5 pts for one-year working experience in Australia; Does it strictly have to be an “Employment”? Would Internship in the related industry count (Full time, Paid) ?
Hi William
Can a full-time (Paid) internship count into the 1 year work experience for 189/190 point test?
Yes, as long as you worked full time hours
Hi, I have a masters degree in aerospace engineering (skills shortage), but I would like to apply to jobs as an airline pilot (pilot visa is restricted to remote locations). Is this possible through a 189 or would I only be able to work in an aerospace engineering role?
A remote location visa is of little interest to me.
Thanks,
Tom
If you hold a subclass 189 you can work in anything you want.
Good morning William,
I have a degree in microbiology and 11 years of experience in administration plus 2 years experience in microbiology.
Can I get up to 15 points in work experience?
Hi
I just want to know do we need to mention all the work experience in EOI if not related to the occupation? As I want to apply for business analyst but I have not any experience in that field. But I have experience cleaning, CSR, teaching in India etc. Could plz advice
Hi William,
I’m 28, from the Netherlands and starting as a trainee to become a Business Analyst. However, my Bachelor Degree is Business Administration & Tourism Management. How will this have an effect on the work experience requirement?
Seen the minimum years work experience that is required I’ll fall just within the 25-33 age category but when my degree doesn’t match the work experience will I automatically fall under the 33-39 age category and lose 5 points straight away?
Thanks in advance!
Without a degree in IT you would need to show at least 6 years of work experience before your qualify and do an RPL as well
I hold a BSc in microbiology and I have 12 years of work experience : 10 in administration and 2 as a microbiologist. Am I qualified to claim points for at least 8 years of work experience?
Thank you.
Depends what your job duties were in admin. I would err on the side of caution though
Hi William,
I graduated with a Bachelor of Pharmacy degree in Dec 2017, then I started my one-year paid internship (>20 hours per week; with AHPRA provisional registration) and undertook registration exams at the end of my internship and registered as a pharmacist. Does that one-year internship count as work experience in visa 190? Thank you in advance!
All work experience after your graduation would count as long as it was considered full time work for that 1 year
Hi, what are the possibilities to get 189,190 & 491 visa’s at this covid situation. I have a total point of 65 after completing PTE test.
65 points is a bit on the low side for subclass 189, but if you are in one of their prioritised occupations and onshore, you might get lucky. Subclass 190 and 491 is a much better option in the current environment.
Good day William,
I’ve got a visa 189 in effect, which was granted on Sept 2017. From that date to the current date, I have been in Australia for 11 months and I am currently off-shore. According to the visa travel component it expires on Sept 2022. If I understand correctly the PR 189 travel conditions, I will remain a lawful, permanent resident as long as I arrive in Australia prior to the date of travel component expiration and I do not need to issue any more documents if I do not want to leave the country (otherwise RRV 155 or Citizenship is required). Please let me know if this is correct. Thank you in advance for your time.
You can enter before it expires or you can apply for a subclass 155 (RRV) and they’ll likely give you a 1 year renewal so you’ll be fine.
Thank you William for your reply.
I hold Bachelors and Masters Degree in Engineering both from India.
I am applying to an Australian University next year.
My points are 80
Can I get PR before applying to the University ?
It depends on your specific occupation and if you are applying for a state nomination. Note that you could still get selected while you are in university too.
I have bachelor degree in computer science outside of Australia. ACS defined my bachelor degree as a associate degree. Can i get 15 points?
Only AQF level 7 and above is 15 points, else it’ll be 10 points for a positive skills assessment.
So, May i know, does Associate degree belong to which AQF Level ?
Im an onshore student in Australia and my EOI point is 80 max. My skill assessment is 233611 Mining Engineer. What is the chance of getting the invitation?
Your chances vary depending on the number of allocations that Home Affairs gives out during their selection rounds, the more they do so the lower the points score they select at. You’ll have to monitor at the next round.
Hello, if i am a defacto on my partners 189 visa, and we break up, what does that mean for me?
After visa grant your visa is your own and not tied to your partner.
Hello, I have applied EOI in April.2020 with 90 points and my skill assessment has completed in ET (engineering Technologist). I have claimed 15 points for my 8+ years of experience in IT domain.
1. I wanted to understand how will my skills(experience) be verified after ITA , when I have not chosen to get by work experience assessed (as it is optional). My work experience is paid and meets the criteria of 20+ hours, but is not directly related to ET while my education is assessed in ET. In this case, can I claim my entire work experience of 8+ years in IT?
2. Does getting work experience assessed separately gives any benefit after ITA or skills are verified again after ITA? What documents are required to verify my work experience in later stage and should it be in the ET field itself or IT field experience can be fully counted? My experience is in multiple roles as (system engineer, senior system engineer , Senior DBA, Lead DBA etc.)
Hi, I would like to know if my partner is not going together with me, can I still get that 10 points from Partner Skill category? Our plan to move alone first and wait for me to get a stable job first before she come.
Hi William,
If my partner is not going to migrate together with me, can I still get the partner skill 10 points?
My partner want to wait for me to settle down first before she follow.
For this scenario what should I choose in partner skill category?
If you are already married then no you can’t claim the 10 points
Hi William
I am a PhD candidate. EA has assessed my qualifications (BSc and MSc). All of these degrees plus my Phd degree are overseas degrees. To claim the points of my PhD, does my PhD needs to be assessed?
Yes your PHD has to be assessed.
Hi There,
I wanted to understand which bracket I fall into for partner skill category, below is situation:
* I”m married
* Parter won”t be moving to Australia
* Parter is living seperate since 2 years.
* We are not legally seperated but have no plan to be together.
If you can prove all of that, then you can claim to be single.
Thanks alot William for your quick reply and looking into my concern.
Yes,
1. I have marriage certificate
2 to 4th point: I have filed Restutation Of Conjugnal Right case against my wife and she have refused to come back. – That case is pending though.
Now: Can I claim single point? and do I need to decleare all of above facts? If yes, – Where all I need to declare those facts.
Thanks,
Sonu
Hi William,
Is visa 189 currently open to overseas applicants?
Is visa 189 open to offshore applicants now?
Thanks in advance
It has always been open to offshore applicants.
Hi, I have read about visa condition 8515 for 189 visa i.e. You must not marry or enter into a de facto relationship before entering Australia.
Since I am married, does this mean I am not eligible to apply for this visa?
No that just means that condition won’t be imposed on your visa grant letter.
I have a question related to claiming 10 points for partner skills. My wife is Telecom Engineer with a Bachelor of technology degree in Electronics and communications engineering. This skill is under same occupation list as mine. I am a Software engineer. Now, I would need to get her skills assessed from Engineers Australia. As per Engineers Australia guideline they offer two types of assessment. Need to know which skill assessment I should apply for – “Standard Competency Demonstration Report Assessment” Or “Relevant Skilled Employment Assessment”, in order to gain 10 points for partner skills?
You’d probably need the CDR one.
At least a Bachelor degree from an Australian educational institution or at least a Bachelor qualification, from another educational institution, that is of a recognised standard – 15 Points.
Attained a qualification or award recognised by the relevant assessing authority for your nominated skilled occupation as being suitable for that occupation – 10 Points.
I did engineering for my bachelors and masters. I would like to make a career change to school teaching – included in MLTSSL list. If I do a postgraduate certificate in education (PCGE) how many points will I claim for educational qualifications for my skilled nominated occupation? Will it get reduced from 15(Masters) to 10(PGCE) points?
If I get work experience of teaching before obtaining a recognised teacher qualification (eg PCGE) will my work experience count?
Thank you.
post graduate diplomas are the same points as degree.
Hi Wiliam,
EA has assessed my qualifications as civil engineer and I have been working as civil engineer onshore for 1 year. Do I have to get my experience assessed by EA in order to claim 5points or supporting documents is enough? I have received my pre invite from QLD recently
Your answer would be much appreciated
Thanks
You can collect alternative documents for home affairs without going through EA
Age: 32, Degree: Arts graduate, Experience: 10+ years in IT (Information Technology) support function, currently on a senior role in cloud computing, Marital status: Unmarried.
Is the above set of attributes eligible for scoring the required points and what are the chances to clear skill evaluation by ACS.
Hi William, is 85 points enough to get 189 visa for occupation software engineer in the current situation or 90 or 95 is required. Does people from this occupation able to get this visa or they are kept on hold.
Thank you.
Rule of thumb is always the higher the better for SC189
do you need experience if you have an engineering degree
No you can apply without work experience in most cases.
Hi, is work experience required to apply for a visa 189 social work? Or would it be enough to have done a bachelor and a masters of social work in Australia? Also do you go on a bridging visa once you’ve applied to the “expression of interest” pool? Or only once you’ve been invited to you go on a bridging visa?
Bridging visa is only after you have lodged your visa
Hi,
Please help to clarify if i can apply for 224711 Management Consultant for Offshore South Australia through ROI.
Currently i have got skill assessment for 221112 Management Accountant. Do they fall under closely related occupation?
Much thanks for your clarification.
I have a friend who is an accountant. The assessing body required academic IELTS of 7 on each four areas. Can she then redo the IELTS test on General level to claim points from DIBP as she will get a better score of 8 or 9s on General test. Or do certain occupations on DIBP list need to have academic English. Think might only be for medical doctors etc but might be for some occupations as per request from assessing body.
For points purposes you can use any approved English test
Hi there
I’m completing a visa for myself to include my wife and 3 children…
I’m a teacher and going as a skilled worker (189), my wife is also a skilled worker but I don’t want to have to pay for a skills assessment for her if I don;t have to….
So in answer to the question ‘Does the client’s partner have a nominated occupation?’ , do I answer ‘no’ as I don’t need her points to qualify?
Thanks in advance.
Hi William,
My partner and I haven’t filed any EOI.
She likely has a score of 95, as a registered nurse. While mine is a 80 on the MLTSSL.
Would my lower score affects her chance, if we are to migrate together?
Thanks.
If you want to emigrate together you should be on the same visa. 95 points as a registered nurse is very high.
Cheers William. Thank you for the kind response. I should put in another way:
Do the two 189 applications correlated, or are they assessed separately?
Meaning she could get an invitation regardless of my points. And if she got invited, we could emigrate together?
All subclass 189 are assessed seperately
Me and my partner will graduate next year and want to apply for 189 right after. We both will be Doctors of Chiropractic (not research) and I counted 70 points for us. Will we still have a chance to get this visa with such low points?
Depends on which state you are in. You’d need to get the subclass 485 to buy yourself time to remain in Australia. If you are outside Australia it’ll be harder.
Hy, I am waiting for my skill assessment result, the case officer contact me, I provide the statement from my employer, how long I will receive the result after I submit the documents requested by the case officer?
Thank you
I am an accounting graduate with Bachelor’s Degree in Accounting. However, after graduation, I’ve drifted into Computing and have been here since. My work revolves mostly around computer networking and system and I’m the lead for most IT projects in Singapore. What are my chances for 189? I’ve seen the documentation – that for me to be evaluated in this field I must first have a relevant degree in computing.
You can replace a degree in IT with work experience and an RPL, however it’ll need to be at least 6 years of work post-degree
Hello William,
Would freelance work also counts as work experience? And if yes, how do you prove your experience (because you are not employed by a company for example) and how do you prove that you have been working for a minimum of 20 hours a week? (Since most freelance projects varies in hours a week, and different projects are spread over time).
Thank you in advance!
That’s tricky but doable, you’d need supporting evidence to show your jobs, work, invoices etc etc.
After 1,5 year wait (with 90 points!) I just received an invite to apply for my Skilled Independent visa (subclass 189) Points-tested stream. Just wondering if being granted this visa would do anything for my passport/nationality status (I am originally from the Netherlands and don’t want dual citizenship and/or lose my Dutch nationality). Also – if I would like some help with applying for this visa, could you be of any service? I have all documentation ready, just aware that one mistake could be a costly one.
Getting PR is unrelated to citizenship so you don’t need to worry about that
hello there,
i have completed bachelors of IT from india in 2016, and currently i am in sydney on student visa and AND also completed 1 year 2 months of experience as developer programmer in sydney. so
my question is that can i go for assessment of bachelors degree with my Australian work experience ?
thank you in advance !
hello there,
i have completed bachelors of IT from india in 2016, and currently i am in sydney on student visa and AND also completed 1 year 2 months of experience as developer programmer in sydney. so
my question is that can i go for assessment of bachelors degree with my Australian work experience ?
thank you in advance
Hi if I apply skilled migration visa onshore from tourist .. will I get bridging visa and working rights until I receive any decision
Only if you’ve lodged for the visa, not if you are submitting an expression of interest alone
Hi
I am a marketing senior professional in India with over 14years of Marketing and Brand Management experience. I have a family of 5.
2 kids + Wife + Mother(65yrs). I was considering moving to Australia with 189 subclass. I did my masters in Marketing from Uni of Wollongong.
My questions are will I be the only applicant? If I get the visa will my other family members also get it? Or I need to apply for them separately too.
My masters was completed in 2010
Marketing occupations fall under the STSOL which means you would have to apply for subclass 190 or 491.
Have an Australian MD (Doctor of Medicine) – does this count as a Master’s degree under ‘education’?
Check the AQF level, masters is AQF level 9. If you are thinking of claiming points for it then that’s another matter altogether as there is a specific list for the 10 points for masters points
Hello Sir
I have applied for 491 Victoria 2022_23 skilled migration program. My job code is 221112 Management Accountant with 105 points.
What are the chances of invitation.
Thanks
mmb
Hi, After getting visa invite for 189, if my partner (Members of the family unit) fails to apply for visa within 60 days but instead applies once my visa is through, will she still be able to apply for the visa as main applicant’s spouse at some later stage? Say for instance, after 6 months or so?
Hi there,
May I know if whether I have to upload my ex-wife’s certified true copy passport if I am applying with my son and both my ex and I have join custody but I have care and control rights?
Hi. I indicated in my 189 visa application that I am engaged. I have also received an invitation. But during the processing time of the visa, my status would have changed to married. Will this affect my visa application and my partner?
I’ve got 189 invitation today.
However, I’m on holiday so I’m outside of Australia.
My invitation is onshore.
Could I apply 189visa outside of australia??
Either way is fine, however a bridging visa is only granted when you are in Australia
Hello, I have been doing PhD offshore for 5 years in mechanical engineering. I get a monthly salary + housing + insurance. Do these years count as work experience?
Depends how many hours a week you work and the nature of the work
Hi, I am Architect and have valid Skilled Assessment from AACA. My Partner is Interior Design Skilled and have Bachelor Degree. My Skilled is under MLTSLL but my partner skilled is under Short Term Skilled. The condition to claim points is must ” had nominated a skilled occupation that is on the same skilled occupation list as your nominated skilled occupation”. Is it means my partner cannot claim her Skilled points on visa 190 or 491?
if you apply for 190 or 491 it’ll most likely combine points
Hi I am applying for Skill Assessment from EA as per my pathway. EA requires English language test scores. I have a previous year IELTS Test Score. My Question is, Would this IELTS test score on my Skill Assessment report also be considered for visa subclass 189 EOI? If not, then I am thinking to retake my exam to improve points in 189 subclass.
Yes the same english test can be used for both skills assessment and EOI
Hi. I indicated in my EOI that I am currently in an engaged relationship status and got invited for 189. With this, what will happen to my visa application if I get married (which as per point system will make me lose 10 points) before the grant or right after the grant? Take note that I indicated in the visa application my intended wedding date which is in 2 months’ time.
Hello, I am 34 years old, I have just completed in 2 years a cert 3 in plastering and my placement and at the same time I studied a cert 3 in aged care during the covid and I have been working for almost 2 years in a retirement home . Can I apply for the 189 visa as a plasterer if I don’t have any experience yet? If not, how many years minimum does it take for the experience to be recognized and do I need a skill assesment if my diploma is Australian cricos. Thank you very much for your answers
Hello Sir, currently I am on bridging visa A after applying student visa application and I got invite for 189 visa. So I applied for 189 visa application but I haven’t received bridging visa for my 189 visa application. So I am worried what should I do. I am waiting for bridging visa from last one week. Or do I need to apply for bridging visa for 189 visa application. Thanks
Hello, I am an Electrical Engineer with 85 points for 189 visa married to a spouse who has claimed points for English, but no skills assessment. I did not receive a 189 visa invite even though a colleague of mine received a 189 invite with a lower point score. Will I not receive a 189 invite because my spouse does not have a skills assessment?
Hard to say how they invite, it’s relatively transparent but not fully public
Thank you William. We received a 190 nomination which we are happy about.
Fantastic
Hi , we are family of 4 and applied for permanent residency using the form subclass 189 . I’m not quite sure if this is the right form as we are New Zealand citizens and I know we can work and live here for good but we still want to o work it out to be Australian citizens once we are approved for permanent resident .
Yes that sounds about right
My application is in further Assessment since 50 days. What can be the maximum wait time in this stage
There is no maximum time
Hi William, looking for urgent advice. Can I update postcode after my 190 invite is formally approved (nomination)? I received pre-invite and the postcode in my EOI is still from the previous address/property I was living in. I have moved house after that and have not updated the postcode (Same city, adjacent suburbs). Can I leave it as is and update current address at the time of visa application or should I update it right away before receiving the final invite? Thanks
Your postcode shouldn’t really matter
I have applied in visa type 189. My visa is in Further Assessment, the due date for my s56 Request was 7 Sep 22 but I could not provide all documents by that date. Instead, I provided on 17th Sep as I got PCC on that date. Now its more than 50 days and there is no movement.
When shall I expect an update or because of not submitting in stipulated time, my request has moved to another queue. Pls suggest.
Hard to tell
It is possible to get Australian citizenship by investment through the Business Innovation and Investment (Provisional) visa and the Business Innovation and Investment (Permanent) visa.
No not directly. You start off as a provisional resident > followed by permanent resident > followed by citizenship application
Hi, I am wondering does the 12 months rule for a de facto applies to a married couple when I add my wife for 189 visa. We are married less than 12 months but we have evidence to prove a committed relationship. Thanks in advance.
No it doesn’t apply for a married couple
Hello! There is something I would like to confirm:
I’m planning to lodge my visa application (offshore) for 189 this December. Then I will go to Aus by January (I have Visa 476). Just in case I get invited for 189 AFTER going to Australia, is it alright to apply for my visa there?
Need your advice. Thank you!
Hi Lau,
Just wonder if you have gotten reply? I am in similar situation as you.
Thanks,
Kamyin
Hi, I am trying to apply 189/190. For the English language skills, can I combine my 2 PTE test results?
No you can’t combine PTE
Hi! I would like to clarify. I have plans of bringing my family with me in Aus using visa subclass 189. But since our funds is not yet sufficient at the moment, I plan of applying for this visa first then work and save money for a year or two there so I can apply for my dependents’ (husband + 2kids) visas next. Would that be allowed?
Hi there,
Im in Australia and have 80 points as an engineer 189. I am on a bridging visa for a graduate visa.. I was thinking of letting go and going offshore to apply from offshore for the 189.. I am doing naati on thursday and should improve my points to 85.. If i am on a graduate visa but living offshore for the last 3months, would i be considered offshore?? Or do I need to withdraw my graduate visa? thankss
Hi, I have ACMA, CGMA (CIMA qualified) and Master of Business Administration. For which qulaification should I be getting the assessment from CPA Australia?
All that are AQF level 7 and above
Hey there,
Got a 189 invite on expired IELTs test (test date 18 August 2018) and MSA letter more than 3 years old (date of letter 05 March 2019). Received the invite on 6th October 2022 and i dont know how as after expiry of IELTs validity, profile should become dormant.
Nonetheless, now I have revalidated my MSA Letter and PTE scores as well. I am unable to confirm that should i proceed with this invite by uploading new PTE and MSA results (along with expired ones which were mentioned in my EOI) or should i let go of this invite and wait for another invite in upcoming draws ? Also, next draw is expected to be held on 20th or 21st of November, if my previous invite is proceeded and i havent cancelled it yet, will it effect on my other separate EOIs in getting selected for ITA grant in upcoming draws ?
Hi there, I have recently completed Bachelor Degree in Computer Science (Honours) 3 years from Nepal. Is that recognized as completion of bachelor degree in Australia?
Depends on your university and if it’s equivalent to AQF level 7
Hi, my partner is getting sponsored by his company to work here. Can I tag on as a de facto? if my application as a partner is rejected, will tt affect his application as well?
Is casual employment counted as a work experience for 189visa??
Hi
I applied for an EOI and got 5 points for my spouse for her english. She did not get a skills assessment done, however I am the main applicant and got invited to apply for my visa based on my nominated skill which is MTSL. I added my wife’s occupation which is a stsol. Is it okay to proceed without a skill assessment for my wife? I did not claim points on the EOI for her. Will a skills assessment be required?
You only need a skills assessment for her if you claimed points for her occupation
Hi there, can I still claim the 5 points regarding the regional study in a situation that a part of my course was completed through online study in other country due to the COVID and international border lock down? I have came back to the regional area as soon as the boarder was opened. THX
Hi I want to ask about the ielts type they did not mention for the specific skills for education I think it should be academic but I want to make sure if we want to apply in the teaching so which ielts is required.
the IELTS test required for different assessing authorities varies. For points purposes however, it doesn’t matter when of the authorised tests you take.
Hello – I have my 482 visa in ANZSCO code 261311, however my ACS skills assessment (positive) done on different ANZSCO code – 261111, as that better relates to role I am performing. Will this be a potential cause for rejection when I apply 189 or 190 PR visa (that ANZSCO code of PR visa application different than current 482 visa ANZSCO code)
Hello,
Any idea if paid PhD work (work contract with social contributions paid at a market rate) would count towards work experience for a researcher (life scientist/biochemist)? VETASSESS is quite vague in this regard, and it makes a difference of 10 points in my case whether they accept it or not.
Thanks in advance!
Hi
My 190 visa being refused and I appealed it to AAT, I’m still holding 485.
I got a new invitation for 189 this December
Can I go ahead with it ?
For 2022-23 there are 32,000 spots available for 189 visas but they have already issued 59,000 invites. How is that going to work? Is there an explanation for this?
Also on skillselect dashboard I see people with 65, 70 and 75 points are getting invites while there are hundreds of other applicants with much higher points. How come people with lower points are getting invited over higher points?
Do applicants from US, Canada or England get priority over others?
Like is it possible that they would pick someone from Canada with 70 points over someone from India with 80 points?
No that’s unlikely.
Greetings..
What would be the points for (single parent- divorced) in partner points for 189 class
Hi, I got invitation and I claimed single. However, now I have a defacto girlfriend. Should we live separately before my visa is granted?
Hi,
I have 2.3 yrs of experience as a software engineer which are leading me to 0 points and has a bachelor’s degree in engineering. Total score calculated is 65 . I can apply for EOI under subclass 189…
Plus I’ll complete 24 yrs of age this year and will start my 25th will that be considered as 24 or 25.
What are my chance to get the invitation?
Hello, i have question my PTE score requirement is 7 and i got 6. If i apply 189 EOI and if i get invitation then for PR file i have to get 7 or i can use 6 each PTE score file in PR file which i use for EOI. I am in WA ?
Is there any clause which states how long you must be in country within the first five years of permanent residency if the 189 visa is granted?
We would intend to activate the visa within the first 12 months but I don’t know if we’d been in a position to move to the country permanently from the U.K. for another 20-24 months?
I am a Secondary teacher, my husband an Engineer and we submitted an EOI with 75 points. My second question is that we have had a baby in the time our EOI was being considered which I understand isn’t difficult to add to the visa application (he has a passport and birth certificate) but I wondered what medical assessments he would need if any? He’s 14 months. Thanks
No clause
Hi
Is it possible to get the visa if you satisfy the points requirement but do not have any work experience(only part-time work under 20hrs sadly)?
yes
Hi, does all documents (IELTS results form, work experience documents, etc.) that need to be attached to the visa application (once invited to apply), need to be certified? Does any need to be notarized? Does anyone know where in Shanghai can these be certified?
Hi,I’m currently student visa of Charles Darwin university,arrived july 2021,but when I got here ain Australia I found out that I’m qualified to applied for 189 visa ,can I do that,I’m electrical engineer liscence and worked for more that 8 years,what would be happen if I lodged 189 visa and get denied can i continue as student visa or they will sent me back to my country
It’s fine to apply for 189 while on a student visa. Any approved visa will replace your student visa.
Hello,
I was looking into applying for a 189 visa, in the hopes of moving to Australia in January 2024 from Ireland.
I work as a software engineer and will have 5.5 years of experience at that time.
In looking into the Skills Assessment, it seems an official company reference is needed from your employer ? Is this the case ?
I’ve done the predominant amount of my experience under the same manager and ideally would not like him to know I was considering leaving the company/country unless I got a Visa approved.
The requirements from ACS are a must, yes.
Hi,
My wife and I both have a positive skill assessment and meet the criteria for class 189
Is it possible for us both applying the visa as main applicant while keeping each other as dependent to get the 10 points?
Thanks!
yes you both can be primary applicants under each occupation of your own.
Hello,
I got Master degree in Taiwan. Currently, I’m working here. My partner is a Taiwanese. We’re planning to have PhD together in Australia. My partner’s scholarship is from Taiwan government and she has to go back to serve the government for 4 years after her PhD. In my case, I will stay in Australia and apply for the permanent citizenship. My question is: If we have De Facto Relationship / Marriage Certificate, will it affect to my application for the citizenship?
Hi, we are living in the UK after returning from Australia. If we are successful in a 189 application how long can we live in the UK for before we need to move to australia? Can’t we visit Australia to activate the visa and then return to the UK for a year before then permanently moving to Australia?
Many thanks,
Rob
After visa grant you have up to 5 years to make your permanent move to Australia.
Hi,
I would like to apply 189. Is it necessary my partner need to have English test or I can get 0 point in this section? Without the partner section I still have 65point to submit the EOI. Thanks.
You can apply for a 189 if you have 65 points and above.
Greetings,
Wanted to understand what to mention in partner part of 189 class.. If the applicant is divorced.. (have kids…means he is a single parent).. And how many points can be obtained for partner.
Your partner can contribute up to 10 points in certain situations
Is it possible to apply for 189 visa with diploma? Or its limited for master degree and above?
Depends on the occupation you are applying under.
Hi William,
What if my company, being a sensitive government organization, has a policy of not giving detailed experience letters? Can I still get a positive skills assessment somehow? I can manage the bank statement, salary slips, offer letter, pretty much everything except duties and tasks.
Hello, I submitted my visa application in November. 2022 and up to now the application has not moved to the next stage. How long does it usually take for a case officer to be assigned to an application?
It varies, but for 189 it’s typically a couple of months.
I cleared my CIMA Adv Diploma exams 10 years ago and have been working as an accountant since then.
1. Will I receive a positive skill assessment since I have not completed all CIMA exams?
2. Also, will I be able to get points for my experience after clearing CIMA adv exams?
I have been working since 2016 but ACS has deducted 4 years from my work experience to give me a positive skill assessment and recognised my job as starting from 2020. Can I now claim all of my post qualification work experience points for 189 visa regardless of ACS deduction of points?
You will have to follow your assessment result with ACS
Hello! I have work experience of 2.5 years as an external auditor, and 1 year as an accountant (general). For the purpose of points, will I be awarded 5 points as I have net experience of 3+ years or will I be awarded no points as I have less than 3 years experience in each profession?
Hi,
I was about to submit an EOI and really need your valuable guidance.
I have completed masters in business administration and masters in professional accounting.
I am confused in the education history sector where one has to choose from the options : master (other) and masters in sciecne, business or technology.
Does it really matter that what option one chooses?
does the only thing matter here is choosing masters?
Should it be masters (others) or masters in science, business or technology?
Please guide me.
I will be very thankful to you.
I have been working as a postdoc for 3 years and I have instructed both undergraduate and graduate students’ research (whole research process, from the proposal and experiment design to final thesis), but never literally teaching a lesson. Can I still claim my work experience as being a University Lecturer? Or maybe I can also claim being a Material Engineer? Which one may be more appropraite?
My wife and I are NZ citizens and have been going through the process of obtaining our PR for about 2 years. January of this year we were sent a letter from the immigration department informing us that we had to pay approximately $6500 to finalise our VAC and had 28 days to do it as they were fast tracking the visa due to changes being made and if we didn’t our currrent application could become null and void, so we borrowed the money from the bank through our mortgage and were granted our PR. Just this weekend it was announced that immigration for NZ citizens has changed and now it seems the 189 visa no longer exists and anybody who has been in Australia for 4 years can now just apply for citizenship. I feel like we have just been scammed out of all of this money just to now be in the same position as someone who has done and paid for nothing. I’m sure we’re no the only people in this position. Is it possible we could request a refund from the immigration department and be successful in obtaining it? Has anybody else heard of this situation yet?
Once your visa is granted it’s unlikely they’ll refund you the money.
hello there. i’m applying for the sc189 and sc 190 as main application along with my wife and 3 kids. is it mandatory for my wife to have an english score? i’ve looked through immigration and citizenship website and couldn’t find an answer. appreciate your help :)
No it’s not mandatory, but if you can’t prove functional English there is a visa surcharge later in the process.
Hi, me (main applicant) and my partner applied for 189 visa and it was granted last month. We broke up after the visa granted. Can I exclude my partner from 189 visa? If not, what can I do now?
No, after your visa is granted your 189 visas are independent of each other.
I am applying for 189 visa and my occupation is Software Engineer and have work experience of 3 years.I have doubt regarding ACS work experience deduction.will I get 5 points for experience of 3 or I won’t get because I got deducted from ACS?
You can only claim points for work experience after the deductions.
.Hello sir, I am a mechanical engineer. I want to apply for a 189 visa from onshore Australia. My score is 85. Is it difficult or is it possible to get an invitation? Thank you.
Seeking your advice on migrating to Australia. Here’s a quick intro:
We both work and have a 2 year-old kid.
2. I have a bachelors degree in electrical and have worked for 2 years in engineering related roles. Additionally, I have 1.5+ years of experience in an administrative role at a multinational EPC firm. Currently, I own an engineering and general contracting business that has been running since 2018.
3. My wife has a master’s degree in electrical engineering and 5+ years of professional experience.
Questions:
1. Which subclass are we eligible for? 189/190/491?
2. Can I be the primary applicant? I’d like to travel first to arrange things.
3. If my wife is the primary applicant, can I enter first alone? What obligations applied to me as a dependent?
4. Are daycare and healthcare free or subsidized?
Thanks!
Hi,
I need to apply for the 189 visa as an engineering technologist (i’m the main applicant) and i currently work as an engineering technologist with a crane company in Melbourne. I already have a positive skill assessment From engineers australia for my qualification (bachelor’s degree) only. Inorder to apply for the 189 visa is the qualification only skill assessment enough or do i need a full skill assessment (qualification + employment).
Hi,
I need to apply for the 189 visa as an engineering technologist (i’m the main applicant) and i currently work as an engineering technologist with a crane company in Melbourne. I already have a positive skill assessment From engineers australia for my qualification (bachelor’s degree) only. Inorder to apply for the 189 visa is the qualification only skill assessment enough or do i need a full skill assessment (qualification + employment).
You’ll need skills assessment plus ability to prove the points you are claiming for your work experience